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	<title>Comments on: SWG:NGE First Impressions</title>
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		<title>By: Paul (Te'Jhad-jaya)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (Te'Jhad-jaya)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh....

The best fun I had in SWG was in May of 2003. I was in Beta, Phase 3.
Then in July they released the game, much to everyones disapproval. But SOE?lucasArts was fraid of Wordl Of WarCraft, very afraid. And of everQuest 2 , as well. they needed to get SWG out the door as soon as possible.

Then the Holocron Cubes came.
Then the Droid and Pet Upgrade.

I cancelled my account in July 2005. I officaially ended it in March 2005, but I came back for one month to see what the Combat Upgrade was about.

I was horrified.

And now this. sigh...this was a really great game back in 2003. Sure, it major problems. But, unfornateunatly SOE/LA got arrogant and greedy. And now you have this. I admit reading about the new tutorial is really neat. But the loss of so much...I was really upset to see that I lost a lot of progress in July of 2005. And that i had to "Respec" my character. I was silly.

And now this. SWG needs to be ZAPped by that Zapper in CU Comics.
I do not feel sorry anyone still paying SOE/LA money for this crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh&#8230;.</p>
<p>The best fun I had in SWG was in May of 2003. I was in Beta, Phase 3.<br />
Then in July they released the game, much to everyones disapproval. But SOE?lucasArts was fraid of Wordl Of WarCraft, very afraid. And of everQuest 2 , as well. they needed to get SWG out the door as soon as possible.</p>
<p>Then the Holocron Cubes came.<br />
Then the Droid and Pet Upgrade.</p>
<p>I cancelled my account in July 2005. I officaially ended it in March 2005, but I came back for one month to see what the Combat Upgrade was about.</p>
<p>I was horrified.</p>
<p>And now this. sigh&#8230;this was a really great game back in 2003. Sure, it major problems. But, unfornateunatly SOE/LA got arrogant and greedy. And now you have this. I admit reading about the new tutorial is really neat. But the loss of so much&#8230;I was really upset to see that I lost a lot of progress in July of 2005. And that i had to &#8220;Respec&#8221; my character. I was silly.</p>
<p>And now this. SWG needs to be ZAPped by that Zapper in CU Comics.<br />
I do not feel sorry anyone still paying SOE/LA money for this crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2005/11/06/swgnge-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-8330</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefered the old days of SWG, before the combat downgrade - or upgrade if you hadn't played the game for long before hand, or are clinically insane - and before this abomination.

They have removed all possibilty of roleplay which was it's greatest asset - a wide game where people could create a character which wasn't just the same shell as everyone else but with a different name and a slightly different "how I started my quest to become a Jedi/BH". And what the hell were they thinking!! Do you think everyone in the galaxy has met Han and R2D2? How could people possibly put the introduction into a RP story line; it is pointless.

This game has lost its path as an MMORPG; relegated to the leagues of MMOFPS and even... MMOG *gasp*

Bring back the old SWG!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefered the old days of SWG, before the combat downgrade - or upgrade if you hadn&#8217;t played the game for long before hand, or are clinically insane - and before this abomination.</p>
<p>They have removed all possibilty of roleplay which was it&#8217;s greatest asset - a wide game where people could create a character which wasn&#8217;t just the same shell as everyone else but with a different name and a slightly different &#8220;how I started my quest to become a Jedi/BH&#8221;. And what the hell were they thinking!! Do you think everyone in the galaxy has met Han and R2D2? How could people possibly put the introduction into a RP story line; it is pointless.</p>
<p>This game has lost its path as an MMORPG; relegated to the leagues of MMOFPS and even&#8230; MMOG *gasp*</p>
<p>Bring back the old SWG!</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2005/11/06/swgnge-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-2693</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kope: Lets say you buy a game, you pay $50 dollars for it then pay $15 a month for 2 years. The game creator does the feature creep and throws quality control out the window. Now the game isn't all that bad, there are a few nuisances but nothing generally horrid. Now this goes on for 2 years. They claim to be listening and fixing the problems people have with the game, yet tons of bugs exist. Then they decide to fix it with the Combat Upgrade. which the original idea behind it was really decent, and from what I hear the first CU test was really good, but they scrap that and go with CU update 2. Now a year after that they decide to throw the NGE from out of left field, its a buggy alpha release and takes the content that was in the game and tosses it out the window. And the new player economy which used to be based on crafting is now based on looting, so its all junk. 

The new content for getting people who haven't played the game into the game is great. That whole newbie level is excellent. It was better than the green R2 droid program they had going on. The profession system definitely needed tweaking, and the nice thing was you could still fight as a crafter if you wanted to.. and there is no more item decay, so crafters now have almost no economy.

I just hope they start to pull the good stuff that was in the old game and put it in this new game they are making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kope: Lets say you buy a game, you pay $50 dollars for it then pay $15 a month for 2 years. The game creator does the feature creep and throws quality control out the window. Now the game isn&#8217;t all that bad, there are a few nuisances but nothing generally horrid. Now this goes on for 2 years. They claim to be listening and fixing the problems people have with the game, yet tons of bugs exist. Then they decide to fix it with the Combat Upgrade. which the original idea behind it was really decent, and from what I hear the first CU test was really good, but they scrap that and go with CU update 2. Now a year after that they decide to throw the NGE from out of left field, its a buggy alpha release and takes the content that was in the game and tosses it out the window. And the new player economy which used to be based on crafting is now based on looting, so its all junk. </p>
<p>The new content for getting people who haven&#8217;t played the game into the game is great. That whole newbie level is excellent. It was better than the green R2 droid program they had going on. The profession system definitely needed tweaking, and the nice thing was you could still fight as a crafter if you wanted to.. and there is no more item decay, so crafters now have almost no economy.</p>
<p>I just hope they start to pull the good stuff that was in the old game and put it in this new game they are making.</p>
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		<title>By: Nugget</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2005/11/06/swgnge-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-2461</link>
		<dc:creator>Nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;Bitch bitch bitch thats all mosst of u ppl do if u want a SW game then make one &#62;ur damn self and stop bitching about how this one sucks hell u didnt come up &#62;with SW so let the guy who made it do what he wants with it jeez hell the game &#62;is ment to be fun not ur whole damn life 

I didn't need to make one "my damn self" - it WAS fine the way it was, I'd actually say, it was one of my favourites!  And, yeah, he did do what he wanted, and I did what I wanted, I cancelled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Bitch bitch bitch thats all mosst of u ppl do if u want a SW game then make one &gt;ur damn self and stop bitching about how this one sucks hell u didnt come up &gt;with SW so let the guy who made it do what he wants with it jeez hell the game &gt;is ment to be fun not ur whole damn life </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t need to make one &#8220;my damn self&#8221; - it WAS fine the way it was, I&#8217;d actually say, it was one of my favourites!  And, yeah, he did do what he wanted, and I did what I wanted, I cancelled.</p>
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		<title>By: Johwi Wilbon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johwi Wilbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 02:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got into this game when it first came out and quit a few months later because of all the tedious grinding.  That and a little box told me I had to become a chef to learn how to use a lightsaber.  This NGE seems to simplify things way too much.  The knowlege base isn't much help either when it comes to getting straight answers.  Then again neither are the so called veteran players.  I had to ask the same question 4 times and even the 4th try was in caps and swearing.  They were no help anyways.  The item system is still screwed up.  You have to be lvl 80 to equip anything you buy if you can afford it at all since all items are upwards of 10k.  Selling is still impossible.  You still get bunch of crap loot that even junk dealers wont take and players wont buy.  You and up destroying most of it.  Space combat reminds me more of Battle Cruiser 3000 than any Lucasarts games.  Especially the distance of waypoints.  Is it really nessesary for my objective to 10000 away from the planet?  I had enought time to piss and smoke before I got there.  

Comments to others:  

philski:  No SOE doesn't know what they are doing.  I sure in Evercrack you can at least buy new gear from an NPC.  

Kope: Shut up

oui:  spot on that man.  I thought the rest of the game was going to be as well made as the initial content.  Nope.

I also quit because I was have a much better time with City of Heroes.  At least they listen to their customers when something is wrong.  Well....except for that enhancement diversity thing.  Thats got to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got into this game when it first came out and quit a few months later because of all the tedious grinding.  That and a little box told me I had to become a chef to learn how to use a lightsaber.  This NGE seems to simplify things way too much.  The knowlege base isn&#8217;t much help either when it comes to getting straight answers.  Then again neither are the so called veteran players.  I had to ask the same question 4 times and even the 4th try was in caps and swearing.  They were no help anyways.  The item system is still screwed up.  You have to be lvl 80 to equip anything you buy if you can afford it at all since all items are upwards of 10k.  Selling is still impossible.  You still get bunch of crap loot that even junk dealers wont take and players wont buy.  You and up destroying most of it.  Space combat reminds me more of Battle Cruiser 3000 than any Lucasarts games.  Especially the distance of waypoints.  Is it really nessesary for my objective to 10000 away from the planet?  I had enought time to piss and smoke before I got there.  </p>
<p>Comments to others:  </p>
<p>philski:  No SOE doesn&#8217;t know what they are doing.  I sure in Evercrack you can at least buy new gear from an NPC.  </p>
<p>Kope: Shut up</p>
<p>oui:  spot on that man.  I thought the rest of the game was going to be as well made as the initial content.  Nope.</p>
<p>I also quit because I was have a much better time with City of Heroes.  At least they listen to their customers when something is wrong.  Well&#8230;.except for that enhancement diversity thing.  Thats got to go.</p>
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		<title>By: philski</title>
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		<dc:creator>philski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 04:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote oiu:  the people at SOE have ABSOLUTELY no idea how to run an MMORPG.

um.... Everquest is still going after damn near 7 years. SOE has a clue.  They gained users after the first CU and more than likely they will gain users after NGE.

Anyways I picked up the 14 day trial yesterday and I was fairly impressed. I've played my fair share of MMO's and for $14.95 (the online purchase price) I think its worth a shot.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote oiu:  the people at SOE have ABSOLUTELY no idea how to run an MMORPG.</p>
<p>um&#8230;. Everquest is still going after damn near 7 years. SOE has a clue.  They gained users after the first CU and more than likely they will gain users after NGE.</p>
<p>Anyways I picked up the 14 day trial yesterday and I was fairly impressed. I&#8217;ve played my fair share of MMO&#8217;s and for $14.95 (the online purchase price) I think its worth a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Kope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitch bitch bitch thats all mosst of u ppl do if u want a SW game then make one ur damn self and stop bitching about how this one sucks hell u didnt come up with SW so let the guy who made it do what he wants with it jeez hell the game is ment to be fun not ur whole damn life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitch bitch bitch thats all mosst of u ppl do if u want a SW game then make one ur damn self and stop bitching about how this one sucks hell u didnt come up with SW so let the guy who made it do what he wants with it jeez hell the game is ment to be fun not ur whole damn life</p>
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		<title>By: Nugget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>worst...game...ever.  I urge everyone to cancel their subscriptions now.  I signed on several years ago, put it to rest for a few months, and just came back to.  What the freaking hell happened? 

Han Solo....THE Han Solo saving my bacon in a station about to go up in smoke?  Isn't he...uhh, kinda busy helping Luke and the gang?  Or...hold on....trials of Obi Wan.. isn't that where the reincarnation of Obi Wan helps me become a Jedi?  I can just pick that now right off the bat can't I?  And isn't Obi Wan still in hiding on Tatooine at this point?  What friggin time period are we in now!??  I'm soooo confused!

Oh yeah, by the way SOE when you switch to a radically new game engine, perhaps you should beta test it first?  I've ctd'd 4 times within twenty minutes...funny WoW and AO seem pretty stable...  Though I must say you're advertising pop-up windows and automatic crash reporter work spot-on.  Nothing like concentrating on the essentials...

Talking to npc's and getting the response: npc_hospital_nurse1... wtf is that?  Can't you hire some summer students to replace these lines with "Sorry, can't talk now"?  ...and if you're going to a add a "twitch" system, it would be nice if I could target the enemy while he's blasting caps in my ass.  (I can't target him if he's BEHIND a wall...though he seems to have no problem hitting me THROUGH this wall)  I think you forgot about that little ole thing called wall/collision detection.

This game now sux the sweat off a dead man's balls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>worst&#8230;game&#8230;ever.  I urge everyone to cancel their subscriptions now.  I signed on several years ago, put it to rest for a few months, and just came back to.  What the freaking hell happened? </p>
<p>Han Solo&#8230;.THE Han Solo saving my bacon in a station about to go up in smoke?  Isn&#8217;t he&#8230;uhh, kinda busy helping Luke and the gang?  Or&#8230;hold on&#8230;.trials of Obi Wan.. isn&#8217;t that where the reincarnation of Obi Wan helps me become a Jedi?  I can just pick that now right off the bat can&#8217;t I?  And isn&#8217;t Obi Wan still in hiding on Tatooine at this point?  What friggin time period are we in now!??  I&#8217;m soooo confused!</p>
<p>Oh yeah, by the way SOE when you switch to a radically new game engine, perhaps you should beta test it first?  I&#8217;ve ctd&#8217;d 4 times within twenty minutes&#8230;funny WoW and AO seem pretty stable&#8230;  Though I must say you&#8217;re advertising pop-up windows and automatic crash reporter work spot-on.  Nothing like concentrating on the essentials&#8230;</p>
<p>Talking to npc&#8217;s and getting the response: npc_hospital_nurse1&#8230; wtf is that?  Can&#8217;t you hire some summer students to replace these lines with &#8220;Sorry, can&#8217;t talk now&#8221;?  &#8230;and if you&#8217;re going to a add a &#8220;twitch&#8221; system, it would be nice if I could target the enemy while he&#8217;s blasting caps in my ass.  (I can&#8217;t target him if he&#8217;s BEHIND a wall&#8230;though he seems to have no problem hitting me THROUGH this wall)  I think you forgot about that little ole thing called wall/collision detection.</p>
<p>This game now sux the sweat off a dead man&#8217;s balls.</p>
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