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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-27969</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I played both Eve online for about a year and Wow for about 9 months I'd say.  Unlike Eve, in Wow if you want to be a human but like things that orcs or blood elfs use you can't get them. But, in Eve if you are an Amarr and want to use  Caldari wepons, you can train for them(they are mainly missles).  What empire you choose in eve dosen't affect much about who you can mission for or what wepons you train except the starting skills you get.  Yes, Eve is much more economic and political based, but it has a large millitary asspect to it and wars can be started with other corps/alliances.  In wow, you are just at war with horde or alliance and no one else.  It gets very boaring just doing that.  Eve is deffently much more complicated to learn for new MMO players, unlike wow which is much much more simple to play(click to auto-attack to activating  moduals and wepons).  Eve deffently also has much better graphics. Wow pvp is somewhat better because in eve you need to find a group usuaily to to some good pvp but wow you can just do a battleground and are automatily matched up.  Wow also has an endgame(hitting lvl70), but eve really dosen't. 

In the end, It's a tie for me.  Wow is good for playing for a few minuets and than stoping but Eve you can play for hours and get a new ship or skill but gets repiditive eventuily.  
basicly:
Eve=complex and huge but repeditive. good for group play. good for hardcore mmo gamers
Wow=simple and fun but gets boaring. good for new mmo players</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I played both Eve online for about a year and Wow for about 9 months I&#8217;d say.  Unlike Eve, in Wow if you want to be a human but like things that orcs or blood elfs use you can&#8217;t get them. But, in Eve if you are an Amarr and want to use  Caldari wepons, you can train for them(they are mainly missles).  What empire you choose in eve dosen&#8217;t affect much about who you can mission for or what wepons you train except the starting skills you get.  Yes, Eve is much more economic and political based, but it has a large millitary asspect to it and wars can be started with other corps/alliances.  In wow, you are just at war with horde or alliance and no one else.  It gets very boaring just doing that.  Eve is deffently much more complicated to learn for new MMO players, unlike wow which is much much more simple to play(click to auto-attack to activating  moduals and wepons).  Eve deffently also has much better graphics. Wow pvp is somewhat better because in eve you need to find a group usuaily to to some good pvp but wow you can just do a battleground and are automatily matched up.  Wow also has an endgame(hitting lvl70), but eve really dosen&#8217;t. </p>
<p>In the end, It&#8217;s a tie for me.  Wow is good for playing for a few minuets and than stoping but Eve you can play for hours and get a new ship or skill but gets repiditive eventuily.<br />
basicly:<br />
Eve=complex and huge but repeditive. good for group play. good for hardcore mmo gamers<br />
Wow=simple and fun but gets boaring. good for new mmo players</p>
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		<title>By: Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-27403</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"On the large scale EVE is much more controlling of gameplay then WoW."

Yet, you just mentioned that PvP is non-consensual in EVE. That means anyone can attack anyone, anytime, anywhere, without limitation. On top of that, the EVE economy is player-based. The players, not the game, decide how much items are worth. On top of THAT, anyone can fly any ship, fit any module, train any skill, and they aren't limited by their race, unlike in WoW. Yeah, EVE gameplay is soooo much more controlled than WoW...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the large scale EVE is much more controlling of gameplay then WoW.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet, you just mentioned that PvP is non-consensual in EVE. That means anyone can attack anyone, anytime, anywhere, without limitation. On top of that, the EVE economy is player-based. The players, not the game, decide how much items are worth. On top of THAT, anyone can fly any ship, fit any module, train any skill, and they aren&#8217;t limited by their race, unlike in WoW. Yeah, EVE gameplay is soooo much more controlled than WoW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-26964</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end this comparison is a mute point;

Eve online is not a war faction game.

WOW is not an economy/political simulator.

I have played multiple accounts on both games. I've had 7 lvl 70's and I have had 6 active eve accounts (Able to take out a rorqual, 4 hulks, and a defensive ship myself to do "mining ops"). 

In the end, I believe world of warcraft is a better game for those who are interested in somewhat mindless fun. "kill ten rats", collect resources for the war effort, raid and go kill throll.

However, I believe that eve online is a vastly superior game for those who are interested in playing a meta-game. Eve is not a space combat game, nor is it a flying simulator. Eve is a political simulator. Players can be members of corporations who can be members of alliances who can be "pets" of other alliances who can be members of coalitions.

Currently, 4 main coalitions control the insecure regions of eve. They fight with each other and form non-aggression pacts within there own members (alliances). 

There are dictatorships, capital societies, secret societies, and capitalist sects. All of the war and mining and camping are simply tools in the political manipulation game. Players can find a role in any level of that structure, but in the end, if a player wants to leave the newbie training area (empire space) they will end up in the midst of a huge political, economic, and social landscape with the ability to start as a miner, and pvp drone, and work your way up to becoming a member of the war council controlling literally thousands of player's direction against other similarly sized factions. 

Its just more fun to send out multiple hundreds of billions if not trillions of assets to wreck havoc on the supply and moral of our enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end this comparison is a mute point;</p>
<p>Eve online is not a war faction game.</p>
<p>WOW is not an economy/political simulator.</p>
<p>I have played multiple accounts on both games. I&#8217;ve had 7 lvl 70&#8217;s and I have had 6 active eve accounts (Able to take out a rorqual, 4 hulks, and a defensive ship myself to do &#8220;mining ops&#8221;). </p>
<p>In the end, I believe world of warcraft is a better game for those who are interested in somewhat mindless fun. &#8220;kill ten rats&#8221;, collect resources for the war effort, raid and go kill throll.</p>
<p>However, I believe that eve online is a vastly superior game for those who are interested in playing a meta-game. Eve is not a space combat game, nor is it a flying simulator. Eve is a political simulator. Players can be members of corporations who can be members of alliances who can be &#8220;pets&#8221; of other alliances who can be members of coalitions.</p>
<p>Currently, 4 main coalitions control the insecure regions of eve. They fight with each other and form non-aggression pacts within there own members (alliances). </p>
<p>There are dictatorships, capital societies, secret societies, and capitalist sects. All of the war and mining and camping are simply tools in the political manipulation game. Players can find a role in any level of that structure, but in the end, if a player wants to leave the newbie training area (empire space) they will end up in the midst of a huge political, economic, and social landscape with the ability to start as a miner, and pvp drone, and work your way up to becoming a member of the war council controlling literally thousands of player&#8217;s direction against other similarly sized factions. </p>
<p>Its just more fun to send out multiple hundreds of billions if not trillions of assets to wreck havoc on the supply and moral of our enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Reddice</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-16866</link>
		<dc:creator>Reddice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok guys to be honest I have played several online games an most of them have been the ones were you have to sit all day in front of your computer an kill npc to level up. But once you reach that level what is it that you do ? The answer to that is kill more npc to lv up and i think thats boring. And if all you do is lv up that doesnt leave much time to pvp or to do nything else but lvl up.Also in most games were all you do is kill monster after monster to gain experiance an to get to a lv is pretty bad an to make things worst you have to choose form a knight or elf maybe a mage or somthing an the thing is each one has a ability an advantage over a nother one an i think thats bad. But like in EVE I have been playing it for over 3 years and I have come to like the game lol its mroe like a life style lmao tell me how many times have you gone to sleep an rested while a skill trained an once that skill is done you can wake up the next day well rested an play the game with out having to stay all night an kill monster after monster. Also in EVE you dont have to worry about oh your next level an armor an crap like that in eve you can just do what ever it is that you do maybe kill npc for some small cash not for exp or go mine or go pvp in a cheap command ship lol even go teach new players how to make isk fast an get them to join your corperation, now thats is good gaming I think. But in eve it does have it ups an downs for example unlike other games lol eve can cause stress such as in your wallet or how rich you are lol or maybe like oh crap I died an lost a tech 2 battlecruiser an now im broke but in some other games you dont get  the stress in stuff like that since you umm die ok respawn with your stuff some times or with out it but its no big deal cuz you can rebuy it easy. But tbh an so sry for the long discussion lol I think eve is better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok guys to be honest I have played several online games an most of them have been the ones were you have to sit all day in front of your computer an kill npc to level up. But once you reach that level what is it that you do ? The answer to that is kill more npc to lv up and i think thats boring. And if all you do is lv up that doesnt leave much time to pvp or to do nything else but lvl up.Also in most games were all you do is kill monster after monster to gain experiance an to get to a lv is pretty bad an to make things worst you have to choose form a knight or elf maybe a mage or somthing an the thing is each one has a ability an advantage over a nother one an i think thats bad. But like in EVE I have been playing it for over 3 years and I have come to like the game lol its mroe like a life style lmao tell me how many times have you gone to sleep an rested while a skill trained an once that skill is done you can wake up the next day well rested an play the game with out having to stay all night an kill monster after monster. Also in EVE you dont have to worry about oh your next level an armor an crap like that in eve you can just do what ever it is that you do maybe kill npc for some small cash not for exp or go mine or go pvp in a cheap command ship lol even go teach new players how to make isk fast an get them to join your corperation, now thats is good gaming I think. But in eve it does have it ups an downs for example unlike other games lol eve can cause stress such as in your wallet or how rich you are lol or maybe like oh crap I died an lost a tech 2 battlecruiser an now im broke but in some other games you dont get  the stress in stuff like that since you umm die ok respawn with your stuff some times or with out it but its no big deal cuz you can rebuy it easy. But tbh an so sry for the long discussion lol I think eve is better</p>
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		<title>By: Jezebeau</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-10923</link>
		<dc:creator>Jezebeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimping your first character as a result of training the wrong skills doesn't happen, thankfully.  Getting the wrong attributes (piles of charisma) isn't the best, but characters start with so few skills that if you suddenly find there's something you need it's quicker to just train it and keep the extras you picked up than to start over.  It's not like Asheron's Call.  There's no cap or degredation in the speed of learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimping your first character as a result of training the wrong skills doesn&#8217;t happen, thankfully.  Getting the wrong attributes (piles of charisma) isn&#8217;t the best, but characters start with so few skills that if you suddenly find there&#8217;s something you need it&#8217;s quicker to just train it and keep the extras you picked up than to start over.  It&#8217;s not like Asheron&#8217;s Call.  There&#8217;s no cap or degredation in the speed of learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Relmstein</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-10914</link>
		<dc:creator>Relmstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two games are very different in several different ways:

1) Sci-Fi vs Fantasy
2) Skill based System vs Class based System
3) Ship based combat vs Character based Combat

The guess if there was more character to character interaction I could like EVE a bit more.  Also skill based systems do give a lot of freedom but it seems as if its easier to gimp your first character by training in the wrong skills.  I like Scifi and Fantasy equally but EVE is a little too diferent for me to appreciate.  I do hope it continues to do well though cause I would love to see more Scifi based MMORPGs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two games are very different in several different ways:</p>
<p>1) Sci-Fi vs Fantasy<br />
2) Skill based System vs Class based System<br />
3) Ship based combat vs Character based Combat</p>
<p>The guess if there was more character to character interaction I could like EVE a bit more.  Also skill based systems do give a lot of freedom but it seems as if its easier to gimp your first character by training in the wrong skills.  I like Scifi and Fantasy equally but EVE is a little too diferent for me to appreciate.  I do hope it continues to do well though cause I would love to see more Scifi based MMORPGs.</p>
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		<title>By: Inhibit</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-10900</link>
		<dc:creator>Inhibit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first got EvE, I just sat in the statio for the first 30-45 min, trying to figure out how to get out of the station. As a game, it is a bit daunting (the newer tutorials help alot in that regard, but those were not in place when I started) with a learning curve that is pretty steep.  That said, once I began to learn the ropes a bit, the game seemed.... meh.

That was then.  Now, the game holds an odd draw for me. And I think I have my finger on why;  It's the ability to be anything, and everything.  Every MMO I have ever played, I always tried to avoid specialization.  This comes from a desire to solo 90% of the time.  In EvE, you can do just that.  You can train in any direction, and eventually arrive at a point where you can handle the ntire process from A to Z.

A perfect example was I had joined (on my return to EvE after a rest) a fairly young corp.  I had trained pretty much everything I could to a mid level.  When the ceo would say "Gee, we need a miner..." I would link my mining barge, and say I'm your guy. And with little more training, I was sudenly well advanced as a miner.  Ceo would say "Gee, we need a builder/researcher on these BPs".. I would quote my skills, and with a slight amount of training I was top science guy. Same for hauling, trading, and even fighting.  (Swear I'm not trying to brag)

EvE's form of cooperative play always felt more natural than it did in other games, as like I said I prefer to solo.  And, I guess that's the final statement on why I like the game.  I can do both just as easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first got EvE, I just sat in the statio for the first 30-45 min, trying to figure out how to get out of the station. As a game, it is a bit daunting (the newer tutorials help alot in that regard, but those were not in place when I started) with a learning curve that is pretty steep.  That said, once I began to learn the ropes a bit, the game seemed&#8230;. meh.</p>
<p>That was then.  Now, the game holds an odd draw for me. And I think I have my finger on why;  It&#8217;s the ability to be anything, and everything.  Every MMO I have ever played, I always tried to avoid specialization.  This comes from a desire to solo 90% of the time.  In EvE, you can do just that.  You can train in any direction, and eventually arrive at a point where you can handle the ntire process from A to Z.</p>
<p>A perfect example was I had joined (on my return to EvE after a rest) a fairly young corp.  I had trained pretty much everything I could to a mid level.  When the ceo would say &#8220;Gee, we need a miner&#8230;&#8221; I would link my mining barge, and say I&#8217;m your guy. And with little more training, I was sudenly well advanced as a miner.  Ceo would say &#8220;Gee, we need a builder/researcher on these BPs&#8221;.. I would quote my skills, and with a slight amount of training I was top science guy. Same for hauling, trading, and even fighting.  (Swear I&#8217;m not trying to brag)</p>
<p>EvE&#8217;s form of cooperative play always felt more natural than it did in other games, as like I said I prefer to solo.  And, I guess that&#8217;s the final statement on why I like the game.  I can do both just as easily.</p>
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		<title>By: winter</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/27/eve-vs-wow/#comment-10898</link>
		<dc:creator>winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zubon, I totally agree with you. The EVE model where you have one guy/gal that can eventually get good at everything and just needs to switch ships to take on a different role is superior to the WoW model. 

All I was pointing out is that it isn't quite so simple to get to that point. I played EVE for maybe 6 months or so, got into Assault Ships, was working on Interceptors and was close to HACs. Now I was pretty damned far away from being able to mine in a barge let alone mine ice and I could afford to buy and fit maybe 3 or 4 Assault Ships before I woulda been broke ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zubon, I totally agree with you. The EVE model where you have one guy/gal that can eventually get good at everything and just needs to switch ships to take on a different role is superior to the WoW model. </p>
<p>All I was pointing out is that it isn&#8217;t quite so simple to get to that point. I played EVE for maybe 6 months or so, got into Assault Ships, was working on Interceptors and was close to HACs. Now I was pretty damned far away from being able to mine in a barge let alone mine ice and I could afford to buy and fit maybe 3 or 4 Assault Ships before I woulda been broke ;)</p>
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