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		<title>By: Ethic</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/28/bob-declares-war-on-ascn/#comment-10969</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some videos linked in this thread:

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		<title>By: Inhibit</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/28/bob-declares-war-on-ascn/#comment-10964</link>
		<dc:creator>Inhibit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought there was a link to a video...  somebody been editting posts...</description>
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		<title>By: Foxtrotnin3r</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foxtrotnin3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doomsday Wep. FTW! :P 

I actaully just left part of the BoB alliance, not because of this war, I actually just found out about it after leaving.  I tip my spacehelmet to the brave pilots involved.  I hope something from this war makes it to EVE TV :P  I wanna see that Doomsday wepon fire :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doomsday Wep. FTW! :P </p>
<p>I actaully just left part of the BoB alliance, not because of this war, I actually just found out about it after leaving.  I tip my spacehelmet to the brave pilots involved.  I hope something from this war makes it to EVE TV :P  I wanna see that Doomsday wepon fire :D</p>
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		<title>By: Ethic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As reported in that kotaku story, as well as mentioned in various EVE-Online forum posts, the doomsday weapon supposedly missed. Not true.

What happened is that the device is a brutal weapon that does not descriminate. It kills anyone within a certain distance, except for some of the bigger ships. It does not seem like it destroyed as many ships as it should have, but for a first test firing we at least now know it works.

The killmails (what the system sends to record the kills) apparently are not handling this device very well since it kills multiple ships at one time. Remember, this is the first time it has ever been used so some bugs are to be expected.

It'll be fired again, no doubt. Question is, can the server cluster handle it? So far it seems that it can't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As reported in that kotaku story, as well as mentioned in various EVE-Online forum posts, the doomsday weapon supposedly missed. Not true.</p>
<p>What happened is that the device is a brutal weapon that does not descriminate. It kills anyone within a certain distance, except for some of the bigger ships. It does not seem like it destroyed as many ships as it should have, but for a first test firing we at least now know it works.</p>
<p>The killmails (what the system sends to record the kills) apparently are not handling this device very well since it kills multiple ships at one time. Remember, this is the first time it has ever been used so some bugs are to be expected.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be fired again, no doubt. Question is, can the server cluster handle it? So far it seems that it can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Kia</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/28/bob-declares-war-on-ascn/#comment-10925</link>
		<dc:creator>Kia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story made Kotaku:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/eve-online/massive-intergalactic-conflict-starts-in-eve-online-204528.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story made Kotaku:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/eve-online/massive-intergalactic-conflict-starts-in-eve-online-204528.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/eve-online/massive-intergalactic-conflict-starts-in-eve-online-204528.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Coni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most fun I have had in eve since I started playing... =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most fun I have had in eve since I started playing&#8230; =)</p>
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		<title>By: Heartless Gamer</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2006/09/28/bob-declares-war-on-ascn/#comment-10915</link>
		<dc:creator>Heartless Gamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BoB isn't evil.  Take away the fact they have a stranglehold on Tech II and they are a bunch of loud mouthed jerks that get their asses kicked around.  ArsC did a bang up job of fighting BoB's invasion fleet in our old home and that was with no where near the same ships, skill points, or ISK.  BoB only wins because of their industry base... not because they are somehow superior players.

BoB is a good lesson in management and organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BoB isn&#8217;t evil.  Take away the fact they have a stranglehold on Tech II and they are a bunch of loud mouthed jerks that get their asses kicked around.  ArsC did a bang up job of fighting BoB&#8217;s invasion fleet in our old home and that was with no where near the same ships, skill points, or ISK.  BoB only wins because of their industry base&#8230; not because they are somehow superior players.</p>
<p>BoB is a good lesson in management and organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Lachek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lachek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is, indeed, what EVE is all about, and what sets it apart as a game from the other high-profile MMOs. Not since my early MUSH days have I encountered this sort of politicking.

So ASCN builds a Titan, over the course of 8 months, and manages to keep it secret by:

a) Diversionary tactics - building another capital ship elsewhere to take the heat off the build location
b) Secrecy - apparently only 3 people knew the detail of the project
c) Funneling of resources - the minerals and ISK required for the build came from untraceable resources such as refinery taxes and "fake" projects, rather than the convenient method of rallying all ASCN members into mining for the Titan

That in itself is pretty darn phenomenal. But it doesn't end there - the Titan gets built, and BoB gets all riled up. During the time between the Titan announce and the war declaration, the rumour goes that they hired a number of mercenary corps to declare war on ASCN sympatizers (such as my own alliance, Miners With Attitude, which recently were war dec'd by a merc corp we've never heard of and have no beef with). This, supposedly, to ensure that sympatizer corps/alliances are not able nor willing to rally under ASCN's banner.

I stand behind Ethic in wishing that this will be a "fair" fight, but I must give it up for BoB for playing the "bad" guys. How can you not love such a consistently evil antagonist? They're like the Klingons, before the negotiations and non-aggression pacts.

ASCN's achievements - especially how they went about getting there - are great. BoB's willingness to start a major, server-crashing, cataclysmic fight-to-the-end war is greater. They're managing to involve everyone who wants in into this massive effort, on either side, essentially creating "plot" for everyone who wants it. That's what a good antagonist is for, and CCP deserves credit for buidling a game that provides a near-perfect method for allowing players to generate such plot.

Bravo, all around. This will be fun. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is, indeed, what EVE is all about, and what sets it apart as a game from the other high-profile MMOs. Not since my early MUSH days have I encountered this sort of politicking.</p>
<p>So ASCN builds a Titan, over the course of 8 months, and manages to keep it secret by:</p>
<p>a) Diversionary tactics - building another capital ship elsewhere to take the heat off the build location<br />
b) Secrecy - apparently only 3 people knew the detail of the project<br />
c) Funneling of resources - the minerals and ISK required for the build came from untraceable resources such as refinery taxes and &#8220;fake&#8221; projects, rather than the convenient method of rallying all ASCN members into mining for the Titan</p>
<p>That in itself is pretty darn phenomenal. But it doesn&#8217;t end there - the Titan gets built, and BoB gets all riled up. During the time between the Titan announce and the war declaration, the rumour goes that they hired a number of mercenary corps to declare war on ASCN sympatizers (such as my own alliance, Miners With Attitude, which recently were war dec&#8217;d by a merc corp we&#8217;ve never heard of and have no beef with). This, supposedly, to ensure that sympatizer corps/alliances are not able nor willing to rally under ASCN&#8217;s banner.</p>
<p>I stand behind Ethic in wishing that this will be a &#8220;fair&#8221; fight, but I must give it up for BoB for playing the &#8220;bad&#8221; guys. How can you not love such a consistently evil antagonist? They&#8217;re like the Klingons, before the negotiations and non-aggression pacts.</p>
<p>ASCN&#8217;s achievements - especially how they went about getting there - are great. BoB&#8217;s willingness to start a major, server-crashing, cataclysmic fight-to-the-end war is greater. They&#8217;re managing to involve everyone who wants in into this massive effort, on either side, essentially creating &#8220;plot&#8221; for everyone who wants it. That&#8217;s what a good antagonist is for, and CCP deserves credit for buidling a game that provides a near-perfect method for allowing players to generate such plot.</p>
<p>Bravo, all around. This will be fun. :)</p>
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