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	<title>Comments on: If You Crush Your Enemy&#8217;s Skull and Nobody is Around to Hear It, Does It Make a Sound?</title>
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		<title>By: Pumping Irony » What makes an MMOG?</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/08/17/if-you-crush/#comment-23577</link>
		<dc:creator>Pumping Irony » What makes an MMOG?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on MMORPG.com&#8217;s podcast &#8220;Game/On&#8221; with a developer, and a recent&#160;post at KTR,&#160;it seems Fury is essentially Huxley with swords and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on MMORPG.com&#8217;s podcast &#8220;Game/On&#8221; with a developer, and a recent&nbsp;post at KTR,&nbsp;it seems Fury is essentially Huxley with swords and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/08/17/if-you-crush/#comment-23524</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: Verilazic</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/08/17/if-you-crush/#comment-23521</link>
		<dc:creator>Verilazic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I'm thinking from the developer's PoV, they were probably only thinking of the bad in the pve experience, not realizing that perhaps all that hassle actually has a beneficial psycological effect; it's a persistent WORLD, not just characters, that we're after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m thinking from the developer&#8217;s PoV, they were probably only thinking of the bad in the pve experience, not realizing that perhaps all that hassle actually has a beneficial psycological effect; it&#8217;s a persistent WORLD, not just characters, that we&#8217;re after.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/08/17/if-you-crush/#comment-23519</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...I mean, it’s called Counterstrike with persistent characters.]

Yes.  Or "PvP Diablo."  Really, if Fury were considered an MMO, then Diablo probably should be as well.  


[...Sounds like Dungeon Runners except that game is PVE focused not PVP. Dungeon Runners has a central town with portals to different dungeons and that’s it. Fun if you like old school Diablo-like hack n slash...]

Yes.  In fact, Dungeon Runners is essentially a 3-D Diablo with an in-game lobby interface!


[...It’s kind of funny that people are finding this kind of a game less enjoyable. One would think a game that strips away all of the “less fun” stuff, grinding, guild drama, travel time, lvling, etc. would be more fun...]

But you're talking about taking away the -entire- PvE experience, the good along with the bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...I mean, it’s called Counterstrike with persistent characters.]</p>
<p>Yes.  Or &#8220;PvP Diablo.&#8221;  Really, if Fury were considered an MMO, then Diablo probably should be as well.  </p>
<p>[...Sounds like Dungeon Runners except that game is PVE focused not PVP. Dungeon Runners has a central town with portals to different dungeons and that’s it. Fun if you like old school Diablo-like hack n slash...]</p>
<p>Yes.  In fact, Dungeon Runners is essentially a 3-D Diablo with an in-game lobby interface!</p>
<p>[...It’s kind of funny that people are finding this kind of a game less enjoyable. One would think a game that strips away all of the “less fun” stuff, grinding, guild drama, travel time, lvling, etc. would be more fun...]</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re talking about taking away the -entire- PvE experience, the good along with the bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Verilazic</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/08/17/if-you-crush/#comment-23518</link>
		<dc:creator>Verilazic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's kind of funny that people are finding this kind of a game less enjoyable. One would think a game that strips away all of the "less fun" stuff, grinding, guild drama, travel time, lvling, etc. would be more fun. &#62;.&#62; Do you spend that much time waiting for an instance to open? I guess that would make it feel like you need something else to do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of funny that people are finding this kind of a game less enjoyable. One would think a game that strips away all of the &#8220;less fun&#8221; stuff, grinding, guild drama, travel time, lvling, etc. would be more fun. &gt;.&gt; Do you spend that much time waiting for an instance to open? I guess that would make it feel like you need something else to do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/08/17/if-you-crush/#comment-23517</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree as well. The more instanced and fractioned you make the whole thing, the more you dilute the experience in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree as well. The more instanced and fractioned you make the whole thing, the more you dilute the experience in my view.</p>
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		<title>By: Link</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/08/17/if-you-crush/#comment-23516</link>
		<dc:creator>Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Dungeon Runners except that game is PVE focused not PVP. Dungeon Runners has a central town with portals to different dungeons and that's it. Fun if you like old school Diablo-like hack n slash. But don't go looking for depth and breadth...it's not that kind of MMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Dungeon Runners except that game is PVE focused not PVP. Dungeon Runners has a central town with portals to different dungeons and that&#8217;s it. Fun if you like old school Diablo-like hack n slash. But don&#8217;t go looking for depth and breadth&#8230;it&#8217;s not that kind of MMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ophelea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you should mention...

I was talking with Brian "Pyschochild" Green who I'd asked to preview Fury for my site (he couldn't because their installer doesn't work on Win2k!). We were wondering, what exactly do you do when you're not playing PvP?

Obviously, he comes from a hardcore PvP background and what he knows is the most staunch PvPers do something else in downtime.

Sitting in a lobby? Not fun.

There's a very loud minority calling out for this type of "MMO" and I don't know if they realize that there is no such thing as this type of MMO. 

I mean, it's called Counterstrike with persistent characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should mention&#8230;</p>
<p>I was talking with Brian &#8220;Pyschochild&#8221; Green who I&#8217;d asked to preview Fury for my site (he couldn&#8217;t because their installer doesn&#8217;t work on Win2k!). We were wondering, what exactly do you do when you&#8217;re not playing PvP?</p>
<p>Obviously, he comes from a hardcore PvP background and what he knows is the most staunch PvPers do something else in downtime.</p>
<p>Sitting in a lobby? Not fun.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a very loud minority calling out for this type of &#8220;MMO&#8221; and I don&#8217;t know if they realize that there is no such thing as this type of MMO. </p>
<p>I mean, it&#8217;s called Counterstrike with persistent characters.</p>
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