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	<title>Comments on: Back In The Mud</title>
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		<title>By: Jezebeau</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/11/21/back-in-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-25075</link>
		<dc:creator>Jezebeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Coherent: WoW is without a doubt the best-marketed MMO in history, but that doesn&#039;t make it more fun by default.  The gameplay hasn&#039;t changed much since launch so, regardless of new content, people who didn&#039;t like it then won&#039;t necessarily like it now.  AC2 was fun but had a playerbase smaller than most html games.  CoH/V is great fun; it just needs to spice up the post-35 grind.  Etc., etc., different strokes and what not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Coherent: WoW is without a doubt the best-marketed MMO in history, but that doesn&#8217;t make it more fun by default.  The gameplay hasn&#8217;t changed much since launch so, regardless of new content, people who didn&#8217;t like it then won&#8217;t necessarily like it now.  AC2 was fun but had a playerbase smaller than most html games.  CoH/V is great fun; it just needs to spice up the post-35 grind.  Etc., etc., different strokes and what not.</p>
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		<title>By: Coherent</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/11/21/back-in-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-25071</link>
		<dc:creator>Coherent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two insights spring from this post.

Firstly, YOU &quot;were burned out, bored with the repetition, obligations that we could never avoid, and uninspired by the alt options&quot;

I think your wife felt differently, but went whither thou goest (go&#039;ed?) because playing an MMO by yourself isn&#039;t even half as fun as with a loved one.

Secondly, in terms of absolute fun quality and enjoyment development, were any of the games you tried anywhere near the WoW level?  That&#039;s the problem with MMO&#039;s today, we have one MMO titan standing there and dozens of rodent MMO&#039;s making the footing treacherous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two insights spring from this post.</p>
<p>Firstly, YOU &#8220;were burned out, bored with the repetition, obligations that we could never avoid, and uninspired by the alt options&#8221;</p>
<p>I think your wife felt differently, but went whither thou goest (go&#8217;ed?) because playing an MMO by yourself isn&#8217;t even half as fun as with a loved one.</p>
<p>Secondly, in terms of absolute fun quality and enjoyment development, were any of the games you tried anywhere near the WoW level?  That&#8217;s the problem with MMO&#8217;s today, we have one MMO titan standing there and dozens of rodent MMO&#8217;s making the footing treacherous.</p>
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		<title>By: Growl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Growl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Longshot was certainly cheerful :)

For myself - I spent my first two years of WoW mostly alliance on a RP-PvP server.  I&#039;ve raided - I&#039;ve survived the old pvp honor system and I&#039;ve never let others expectations for the game or those playing it  impact *my* fun.  But I did the same thing - I walked away from the game for a while and cooled my heels.  

When I came back I decided I was done with the Alliance and went 100% horde.  Everything etomai just said he couldn&#039;t get into really resonated with me.  I was home so to speak.  So in my typical slow and steady style I started rebuilding that support structure you&#039;re talking about.  Building characters up - making money - making friends - exploring.

I think because I wasn&#039;t worried about keeping up with the raiders anymore or having to fight to maintain my weekly honor rankings - I didn&#039;t care about the life sucking grind that the game could indeed become.

With the 2.3 patch in play and leveling now accelerated from 20-60 (not to mention a bit more mid-level content) - I feel like I&#039;ve gotten a second wind.  I&#039;m enjoying my play more - seeing levels faster - and excited about where my toon is headed next...(now if I just had more money &gt;_&lt;)

I hope the both of you enjoy your time in Azeroth again.  There really is nothing quite like starting over fresh - some of my favorite memories come from doing this. Good luck  - and watch your back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Longshot was certainly cheerful :)</p>
<p>For myself &#8211; I spent my first two years of WoW mostly alliance on a RP-PvP server.  I&#8217;ve raided &#8211; I&#8217;ve survived the old pvp honor system and I&#8217;ve never let others expectations for the game or those playing it  impact *my* fun.  But I did the same thing &#8211; I walked away from the game for a while and cooled my heels.  </p>
<p>When I came back I decided I was done with the Alliance and went 100% horde.  Everything etomai just said he couldn&#8217;t get into really resonated with me.  I was home so to speak.  So in my typical slow and steady style I started rebuilding that support structure you&#8217;re talking about.  Building characters up &#8211; making money &#8211; making friends &#8211; exploring.</p>
<p>I think because I wasn&#8217;t worried about keeping up with the raiders anymore or having to fight to maintain my weekly honor rankings &#8211; I didn&#8217;t care about the life sucking grind that the game could indeed become.</p>
<p>With the 2.3 patch in play and leveling now accelerated from 20-60 (not to mention a bit more mid-level content) &#8211; I feel like I&#8217;ve gotten a second wind.  I&#8217;m enjoying my play more &#8211; seeing levels faster &#8211; and excited about where my toon is headed next&#8230;(now if I just had more money &gt;_&lt;)</p>
<p>I hope the both of you enjoy your time in Azeroth again.  There really is nothing quite like starting over fresh &#8211; some of my favorite memories come from doing this. Good luck  &#8211; and watch your back!</p>
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		<title>By: etomai</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2007/11/21/back-in-the-mud/comment-page-1/#comment-24990</link>
		<dc:creator>etomai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent 3 years and literally dozens of characters on Alliance and kept trying to level a Hordie thinking to see the other side content, but I could never do it.  The whole big open spaces, save the balance of nature schtick in Kalimdor was just dull.  Loved Tirisfal Glades and got to level 20 through Silverpine 3 times but couldn&#039;t get any further.

I hear you on the first love though.  I think I&#039;ll always be happy to revisit Azeroth when/if I have the free time lying around.  I imagine I&#039;ll check out WotLK just to walk in the world again, especially if it captures the Eastern Kingdoms feel like it appears it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent 3 years and literally dozens of characters on Alliance and kept trying to level a Hordie thinking to see the other side content, but I could never do it.  The whole big open spaces, save the balance of nature schtick in Kalimdor was just dull.  Loved Tirisfal Glades and got to level 20 through Silverpine 3 times but couldn&#8217;t get any further.</p>
<p>I hear you on the first love though.  I think I&#8217;ll always be happy to revisit Azeroth when/if I have the free time lying around.  I imagine I&#8217;ll check out WotLK just to walk in the world again, especially if it captures the Eastern Kingdoms feel like it appears it will.</p>
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		<title>By: AimedShot</title>
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		<dc:creator>AimedShot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At about level 40 the content merges will ally.

At level 19 you will realize, &quot;Hey, I&#039;ve got a ton of money, rep and gear to grind all over again.&quot;

When you get to 70, you go &quot;Hey, I can&#039;t keep up with all the gear thats out there in PvP or PVE.  They are ahead of me 3 years.  I have to go grind BG&#039;s to keep up.&quot;  Because you can&#039;t find a group to pug anything until 70.

Then you think, about the time I get done with that, WotLK will be out and all those purples will be replaced by a green.

All PvP servers are is 70&#039;s ganking you while you level.  All it does is slow you down.  You will never get a fair fight.  All you think is... &#039;When I get to 70 I&#039;m going to come kill people that are leveling...&#039;  Woo hoo great fun. 

WoW has become another job this is no longer fun.

/sarcasm off
/cynic off
/wow off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At about level 40 the content merges will ally.</p>
<p>At level 19 you will realize, &#8220;Hey, I&#8217;ve got a ton of money, rep and gear to grind all over again.&#8221;</p>
<p>When you get to 70, you go &#8220;Hey, I can&#8217;t keep up with all the gear thats out there in PvP or PVE.  They are ahead of me 3 years.  I have to go grind BG&#8217;s to keep up.&#8221;  Because you can&#8217;t find a group to pug anything until 70.</p>
<p>Then you think, about the time I get done with that, WotLK will be out and all those purples will be replaced by a green.</p>
<p>All PvP servers are is 70&#8242;s ganking you while you level.  All it does is slow you down.  You will never get a fair fight.  All you think is&#8230; &#8216;When I get to 70 I&#8217;m going to come kill people that are leveling&#8230;&#8217;  Woo hoo great fun. </p>
<p>WoW has become another job this is no longer fun.</p>
<p>/sarcasm off<br />
/cynic off<br />
/wow off</p>
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