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		<title>By: Zubon</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/03/30/it-feels-so-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-26224</link>
		<dc:creator>Zubon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is more commentary than I ever get.  I am switching to a permanent &quot;lol macs&quot; subject matter.  Our hit count is going to go through the roof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is more commentary than I ever get.  I am switching to a permanent &#8220;lol macs&#8221; subject matter.  Our hit count is going to go through the roof.</p>
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		<title>By: yunk</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/03/30/it-feels-so-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-26213</link>
		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to think Apple cared about interface and useability until I saw OSX. For all it&#039;s &quot;lickability&quot; I looked at the three colored buttons and thought &quot;how do I know which one is which?&quot; It just seemed about appearance more than useability. Especially when people made fun of windows for putting the X button right next to the min/max buttons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think Apple cared about interface and useability until I saw OSX. For all it&#8217;s &#8220;lickability&#8221; I looked at the three colored buttons and thought &#8220;how do I know which one is which?&#8221; It just seemed about appearance more than useability. Especially when people made fun of windows for putting the X button right next to the min/max buttons.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/03/30/it-feels-so-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-26208</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“This is the mouse. See how it’s got two buttons next to each other, one on the left and one on the right? Cool. When I say ‘right-click’, you push the one on the right. When I say ‘left-click’, you push the one on the left.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The problem is that the sorta concept there goes against Apple Design Philosophy; they&#039;re really addicted to the &#039;less is more&#039; concept.

  A mouse with a &#039;right&#039; and &#039;left&#039; button is highly modal -- instructing people how to use it means you have to describe both direction (right, left, &#039;chord&#039;, mbutton, scroll), placement (where you can acceptably click), and type (single click, drag, double-click).  A single-button mouse had only placement and type, and Mac software is supposed to go out of their way to really reduce the reliance on &#039;type&#039; modes.  Since Mac software is supposed to have every option that you&#039;d use in the Menu bars, it&#039;s supposed to be a lot simpler to figure out, and not require the &#039;discovery&#039; of actions (things having no visible markers until an unrelated action is initiated).

I assume some part of this was done to encourage folk to go straight from Menu-based selection (which are slow) to keyboard shortcut based actions (which are &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; fast) more quickly than the Microsoft Windows model.  That model encourages people to go from menu to right click menu to keyboard shortcuts, with slower transitions to the &#039;best&#039; one.

As a downside, though, the Mac version is less visibly obvious.  It&#039;s rather easy to see that a 2-button mouse does two things, at least, while the (originally Mac) double-click convention isn&#039;t a visible action, nor is CelticKnot-click an obvious combination anymore than Win-Click is.  [aside : This kinda falls apart when you get to &#039;chords&#039; (rbutton+lbutton) and mbutton (usually pressing down on the scroll), which are non-obvious and coincidentally avoided for critical features.]

That shouldn&#039;t hurt if you&#039;re used to an entirely Mac system, and thus don&#039;t expect right-clicks, and the software is designed and intended for a Mac system, and thus doesn&#039;t rely on right-clicks and has lots of keyboard shortcuts.  Thankfully, there are people other than Apple in this world, though, so you run into a lot of situations where software isn&#039;t built for such a system.

Of course, the problem is that people don&#039;t go Mac for the Software Design Philosophy.  Some folk really like the cases or the look of the UI, of course, but you still see a lot of sales of highly modal software, and a lot of the most popular tools in OS X are also the ones with the options of being used in a fairly complex manner.

:shrug:  I find the whole damned OS irritating enough that I tend to use the terminal more often than anything else when I need to get something done with those computers, although that&#039;s probably more because I have a load of experience with *nix/BSD and nowhere near as much as OS X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“This is the mouse. See how it’s got two buttons next to each other, one on the left and one on the right? Cool. When I say ‘right-click’, you push the one on the right. When I say ‘left-click’, you push the one on the left.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem is that the sorta concept there goes against Apple Design Philosophy; they&#8217;re really addicted to the &#8216;less is more&#8217; concept.</p>
<p>  A mouse with a &#8216;right&#8217; and &#8216;left&#8217; button is highly modal &#8212; instructing people how to use it means you have to describe both direction (right, left, &#8216;chord&#8217;, mbutton, scroll), placement (where you can acceptably click), and type (single click, drag, double-click).  A single-button mouse had only placement and type, and Mac software is supposed to go out of their way to really reduce the reliance on &#8216;type&#8217; modes.  Since Mac software is supposed to have every option that you&#8217;d use in the Menu bars, it&#8217;s supposed to be a lot simpler to figure out, and not require the &#8216;discovery&#8217; of actions (things having no visible markers until an unrelated action is initiated).</p>
<p>I assume some part of this was done to encourage folk to go straight from Menu-based selection (which are slow) to keyboard shortcut based actions (which are <i>very</i> fast) more quickly than the Microsoft Windows model.  That model encourages people to go from menu to right click menu to keyboard shortcuts, with slower transitions to the &#8216;best&#8217; one.</p>
<p>As a downside, though, the Mac version is less visibly obvious.  It&#8217;s rather easy to see that a 2-button mouse does two things, at least, while the (originally Mac) double-click convention isn&#8217;t a visible action, nor is CelticKnot-click an obvious combination anymore than Win-Click is.  [aside : This kinda falls apart when you get to 'chords' (rbutton+lbutton) and mbutton (usually pressing down on the scroll), which are non-obvious and coincidentally avoided for critical features.]</p>
<p>That shouldn&#8217;t hurt if you&#8217;re used to an entirely Mac system, and thus don&#8217;t expect right-clicks, and the software is designed and intended for a Mac system, and thus doesn&#8217;t rely on right-clicks and has lots of keyboard shortcuts.  Thankfully, there are people other than Apple in this world, though, so you run into a lot of situations where software isn&#8217;t built for such a system.</p>
<p>Of course, the problem is that people don&#8217;t go Mac for the Software Design Philosophy.  Some folk really like the cases or the look of the UI, of course, but you still see a lot of sales of highly modal software, and a lot of the most popular tools in OS X are also the ones with the options of being used in a fairly complex manner.</p>
<p>:shrug:  I find the whole damned OS irritating enough that I tend to use the terminal more often than anything else when I need to get something done with those computers, although that&#8217;s probably more because I have a load of experience with *nix/BSD and nowhere near as much as OS X.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Huston</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/03/30/it-feels-so-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-26206</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Huston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted you don&#039;t have to use Apple&#039;s mice either.  Any USB mouse will work.  For playing WoW, I used to plug in my trust wireless two-button mouse.  It should also be noted that even the Mighty Mouse that comes with Apple&#039;s computers now has right-click functionality.  Yes, it&#039;s off by default.  No, it&#039;s not actually that difficult for a novice to enable it.  Yes, you can right-click without enabling it (command+click).  I play EVE Online now with nothing but my Mighty Mouse and never have any trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted you don&#8217;t have to use Apple&#8217;s mice either.  Any USB mouse will work.  For playing WoW, I used to plug in my trust wireless two-button mouse.  It should also be noted that even the Mighty Mouse that comes with Apple&#8217;s computers now has right-click functionality.  Yes, it&#8217;s off by default.  No, it&#8217;s not actually that difficult for a novice to enable it.  Yes, you can right-click without enabling it (command+click).  I play EVE Online now with nothing but my Mighty Mouse and never have any trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah because telling someone this 

&quot;If you think you know what you’re doing, menu  (Apple logo) &#124; System Preferences &#124; Keyboard &amp; Mouse; in Trackpad turn on Two Fingers &#124; Secondary Click; in Mouse, reassign right-click to Secondary. You now have right-click.&quot; 

is so much easier than 

&quot;This is the mouse. See how it’s got two buttons next to each other, one on the left and one on the right? Cool. When I say ‘right-click’, you push the one on the right. When I say ‘left-click’, you push the one on the left.”

Just because Apple does it doesn&#039;t make it simple or easier it&#039;s sheer bloody stubborness because they have to be &quot;different&quot;  that they use a single button mouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah because telling someone this </p>
<p>&#8220;If you think you know what you’re doing, menu  (Apple logo) | System Preferences | Keyboard &amp; Mouse; in Trackpad turn on Two Fingers | Secondary Click; in Mouse, reassign right-click to Secondary. You now have right-click.&#8221; </p>
<p>is so much easier than </p>
<p>&#8220;This is the mouse. See how it’s got two buttons next to each other, one on the left and one on the right? Cool. When I say ‘right-click’, you push the one on the right. When I say ‘left-click’, you push the one on the left.”</p>
<p>Just because Apple does it doesn&#8217;t make it simple or easier it&#8217;s sheer bloody stubborness because they have to be &#8220;different&#8221;  that they use a single button mouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I often use Boot Camp and run Windows XP on my mac.  When I play certain games that require a right-click, it gets very, very frustrating.

Imagine playing command and conquer, and building an ocean dock (or whatever they&#039;re called), realize there is no water on the map, and then not be able to cancel your invalid building command.

It really can&#039;t do any harm to just add a right click button.  It&#039;s IMPORTANT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I often use Boot Camp and run Windows XP on my mac.  When I play certain games that require a right-click, it gets very, very frustrating.</p>
<p>Imagine playing command and conquer, and building an ocean dock (or whatever they&#8217;re called), realize there is no water on the map, and then not be able to cancel your invalid building command.</p>
<p>It really can&#8217;t do any harm to just add a right click button.  It&#8217;s IMPORTANT!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A one-button mouse is better for total novices. Try explaining right-click to someone who hasn’t used a computer heavily before, and they’ll just get confused.&quot;

Well, let&#039;s see. &quot;This is the mouse. See how it&#039;s got two buttons next to each other, one on the left and one on the right? Cool. When I say &#039;right-click&#039;, you push the one on the right. When I say &#039;left-click&#039;, you push the one on the left.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A one-button mouse is better for total novices. Try explaining right-click to someone who hasn’t used a computer heavily before, and they’ll just get confused.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, let&#8217;s see. &#8220;This is the mouse. See how it&#8217;s got two buttons next to each other, one on the left and one on the right? Cool. When I say &#8216;right-click&#8217;, you push the one on the right. When I say &#8216;left-click&#8217;, you push the one on the left.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/03/30/it-feels-so-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-26201</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xwn&#039;s got it right. I had the same frustration when I first bought my Macbook Pro, and it was such a relief to find the solution. Just put your index and middle finger down on the trackpad with one hand and click with the other, and you get your right-click functionality. 

Unfortunately, it doesn&#039;t work in games, but it&#039;ll save your brain when you&#039;re blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xwn&#8217;s got it right. I had the same frustration when I first bought my Macbook Pro, and it was such a relief to find the solution. Just put your index and middle finger down on the trackpad with one hand and click with the other, and you get your right-click functionality. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, it doesn&#8217;t work in games, but it&#8217;ll save your brain when you&#8217;re blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/03/30/it-feels-so-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-26200</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A one-button mouse is better for total novices. Try explaining right-click to someone who hasn&#039;t used a computer heavily before, and they&#039;ll just get confused. Microsoft doesn&#039;t care if everyone is confused. Apple prefers to have things Just Work, and let you enable complex stuff later.

If you think you know what you&#039;re doing, menu  (Apple logo) &#124; System Preferences &#124; Keyboard &amp; Mouse; in Trackpad turn on Two Fingers &#124; Secondary Click; in Mouse, reassign right-click to Secondary. You now have right-click.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A one-button mouse is better for total novices. Try explaining right-click to someone who hasn&#8217;t used a computer heavily before, and they&#8217;ll just get confused. Microsoft doesn&#8217;t care if everyone is confused. Apple prefers to have things Just Work, and let you enable complex stuff later.</p>
<p>If you think you know what you&#8217;re doing, menu  (Apple logo) | System Preferences | Keyboard &amp; Mouse; in Trackpad turn on Two Fingers | Secondary Click; in Mouse, reassign right-click to Secondary. You now have right-click.</p>
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		<title>By: lufia22</title>
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		<dc:creator>lufia22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I just switched colleges this semester and am taking a digital arts class and they just installed a new Mac lab. So there I am, using photoshop, having to relearn ctrl+z and how to right click, getting a little aggrivated.

And what&#039;s worse is I come home and use photoshop on my PC and I start trying to use the similar Mac command (i.e. alt+z), which screws me up even more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I just switched colleges this semester and am taking a digital arts class and they just installed a new Mac lab. So there I am, using photoshop, having to relearn ctrl+z and how to right click, getting a little aggrivated.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s worse is I come home and use photoshop on my PC and I start trying to use the similar Mac command (i.e. alt+z), which screws me up even more!</p>
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