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		<title>By: John III</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/09/03/rmt-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-27605</link>
		<dc:creator>John III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MOre likely, the US will develope the software ( or india as the case may be ) but the servers will be hosted in canada. ( this is of course all theoretical ).  Laws could be changed in canada to accomidate the cross border hosting system, and a reciprocal tax aggreement set up for these special cases ( since, lets face it, thats all the goverments the world over are really interested in first and foremost $$$ )  Then the US gov can look good "protecting the citizens from the evils of these games" (TM) while still collecting the revenue generated by taxing these games profits.

Besides.  After the shelacing the US got in the last olympic games by the chinese, I think legislators are going to be strongly inclined to thumb thier noses in that direction for a good, oh, lifetime longer ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MOre likely, the US will develope the software ( or india as the case may be ) but the servers will be hosted in canada. ( this is of course all theoretical ).  Laws could be changed in canada to accomidate the cross border hosting system, and a reciprocal tax aggreement set up for these special cases ( since, lets face it, thats all the goverments the world over are really interested in first and foremost $$$ )  Then the US gov can look good &#8220;protecting the citizens from the evils of these games&#8221; (TM) while still collecting the revenue generated by taxing these games profits.</p>
<p>Besides.  After the shelacing the US got in the last olympic games by the chinese, I think legislators are going to be strongly inclined to thumb thier noses in that direction for a good, oh, lifetime longer ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/09/03/rmt-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-27455</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put Yunk, and it is something we don't hear an awful lot about but there are very scary implications there on how that commission runs and falls under it's "jurisdiction".

Just to be clear as well, I know our system is FAR from perfect and I don't want this discussion to turn into a comparative of the two legal systems and get way off topic. I just wanted to clarify my common sense comment so it wasn't obvious I lacked the same =)

On a more related note to the discussion, the CDN legal system doesn't really save us from the issue if indeed it becomes one in the USA, as we will still be playing that content which would have to be changed to protect from liability. Sure, we can safely make our own CRTC content controlled MMO's (Don Cherry as a raid boss? the Little Mosque on the Prairie MMO?) so regardless of where the law has the impact, Gamer Nation will be effected as a whole if the companies involved are forced to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Yunk, and it is something we don&#8217;t hear an awful lot about but there are very scary implications there on how that commission runs and falls under it&#8217;s &#8220;jurisdiction&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just to be clear as well, I know our system is FAR from perfect and I don&#8217;t want this discussion to turn into a comparative of the two legal systems and get way off topic. I just wanted to clarify my common sense comment so it wasn&#8217;t obvious I lacked the same =)</p>
<p>On a more related note to the discussion, the CDN legal system doesn&#8217;t really save us from the issue if indeed it becomes one in the USA, as we will still be playing that content which would have to be changed to protect from liability. Sure, we can safely make our own CRTC content controlled MMO&#8217;s (Don Cherry as a raid boss? the Little Mosque on the Prairie MMO?) so regardless of where the law has the impact, Gamer Nation will be effected as a whole if the companies involved are forced to change.</p>
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		<title>By: yunk</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/09/03/rmt-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-27451</link>
		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"our system doesn’t allow for the type of outrageous suits our American friends see daily."

Ah but you have that wonderful "Human Rights Commission" now which is nothing but a tribunal with barely any laws. So when someone loses in regular courts, they can take you to the kangaroo court and have a 100% conviction rate. Seriously that tribunal has to be the biggest threat to freedom Canadians have seen in awhile. I hope you can trash it soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;our system doesn’t allow for the type of outrageous suits our American friends see daily.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah but you have that wonderful &#8220;Human Rights Commission&#8221; now which is nothing but a tribunal with barely any laws. So when someone loses in regular courts, they can take you to the kangaroo court and have a 100% conviction rate. Seriously that tribunal has to be the biggest threat to freedom Canadians have seen in awhile. I hope you can trash it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Zubon</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/09/03/rmt-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-27449</link>
		<dc:creator>Zubon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dibs on the couch!</description>
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		<title>By: Chris F</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/09/03/rmt-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-27446</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[i][b]the law still, for the most part, operates on “common sense”[/b]
You are discussing civil law, for which I would reference Overlawyered for how well common sense is holding up there. Recovering legal fees is not the norm, either: it is a particularly egregious case when you see that[/i]

Overlawyered was a fun site to read. I should have clarified, I am Canadian, and our system doesn't allow for the type of outrageous suits our American friends see daily. That site is a perfect example of why we aren't moving that way. The loser typically pays in Canada, so it avoids a lot of frivolous lawsuits. I have been the victim of a frivolous multimillion dollar lawsuit, which we won, due to a large dose of common sense. Lawyers for the most part are still mostly human in Canada. Of course, some Lawyers are the ones trying to change the system to more American-like as they are really the only ones who profit consistenly from it, but it won't happen. 

At least you know a safe haven if your MMO gaming turns you all into criminals- you can come stay at my place. Bring a sleeping bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i][b]the law still, for the most part, operates on “common sense”[/b]<br />
You are discussing civil law, for which I would reference Overlawyered for how well common sense is holding up there. Recovering legal fees is not the norm, either: it is a particularly egregious case when you see that[/i]</p>
<p>Overlawyered was a fun site to read. I should have clarified, I am Canadian, and our system doesn&#8217;t allow for the type of outrageous suits our American friends see daily. That site is a perfect example of why we aren&#8217;t moving that way. The loser typically pays in Canada, so it avoids a lot of frivolous lawsuits. I have been the victim of a frivolous multimillion dollar lawsuit, which we won, due to a large dose of common sense. Lawyers for the most part are still mostly human in Canada. Of course, some Lawyers are the ones trying to change the system to more American-like as they are really the only ones who profit consistenly from it, but it won&#8217;t happen. </p>
<p>At least you know a safe haven if your MMO gaming turns you all into criminals- you can come stay at my place. Bring a sleeping bag.</p>
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		<title>By: yunk</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/09/03/rmt-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-27445</link>
		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and regarding international law, both Justice Breyer and Ginsberg have stated that our law should be interpreted with an eye towards the law in other countries. Now the few times I've heard of laws being brought before our Supreme court they were European laws. But remember European law has not nearly the freedom of speech we enjoy.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1105364112559</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and regarding international law, both Justice Breyer and Ginsberg have stated that our law should be interpreted with an eye towards the law in other countries. Now the few times I&#8217;ve heard of laws being brought before our Supreme court they were European laws. But remember European law has not nearly the freedom of speech we enjoy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1105364112559" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1105364112559</a></p>
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		<title>By: yunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyers don't think like the rest of us :) Relying on common sense of the legislature is like offering them the handcuffs to put on you. They are bought and paid for. 

So our best hope is the corruptive influence of Microsoft "campaign donations"? yay. And does MSFT or Blizzard have our best interests in mind? Or their own?

Neither party, and neither major presidential candidate, seems to me they put freedom ahead of controlling us if it's for a good enough cause. We've all seen cspan broadcasts of various committees when they talk about games (or even other areas we might be knowledgeable about) they have no idea what they are talking about for one, and for two special interests groups and lobbyists write the wording of the laws. Often congress just reads summaries and relies on their staff.

Perhaps the best solutions to head off any legislation would be to change the games. Provide RMT themselves, either buying gold or buying "boe" items and maybe even kitted/specced characters for a fee. This would reduce out of game trade. Certainly they must always disallow avatar trading and any idea of "ownership" of avatars. Maybe eliminate game cards so that avatars can be traced to particular people, so that the company can make sure the avatar is not traded (such as flagging name or credit card changes, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyers don&#8217;t think like the rest of us :) Relying on common sense of the legislature is like offering them the handcuffs to put on you. They are bought and paid for. </p>
<p>So our best hope is the corruptive influence of Microsoft &#8220;campaign donations&#8221;? yay. And does MSFT or Blizzard have our best interests in mind? Or their own?</p>
<p>Neither party, and neither major presidential candidate, seems to me they put freedom ahead of controlling us if it&#8217;s for a good enough cause. We&#8217;ve all seen cspan broadcasts of various committees when they talk about games (or even other areas we might be knowledgeable about) they have no idea what they are talking about for one, and for two special interests groups and lobbyists write the wording of the laws. Often congress just reads summaries and relies on their staff.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best solutions to head off any legislation would be to change the games. Provide RMT themselves, either buying gold or buying &#8220;boe&#8221; items and maybe even kitted/specced characters for a fee. This would reduce out of game trade. Certainly they must always disallow avatar trading and any idea of &#8220;ownership&#8221; of avatars. Maybe eliminate game cards so that avatars can be traced to particular people, so that the company can make sure the avatar is not traded (such as flagging name or credit card changes, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: slux</title>
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		<dc:creator>slux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forget that the gamer will not be the only one who wants to keep MMOs from being outlawed after the legal precedent for virtual property ownership has been set. Blizzard will be interested in continuing it's business, as will be many other companies that talk a bit more loudly to the legislators than a lone gamer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forget that the gamer will not be the only one who wants to keep MMOs from being outlawed after the legal precedent for virtual property ownership has been set. Blizzard will be interested in continuing it&#8217;s business, as will be many other companies that talk a bit more loudly to the legislators than a lone gamer.</p>
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