Comments on: Failure to Explain

By: Zubon

Zubon — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:23:23 +0000

If I were to guess at the optimal behavior described in that grab bag, it would be this: join the guild every time you log on a character, quit the guild every time you log off. Make sure everyone in the guild can invite. That way, you are always at the minimum size and therefore maximum contribution. You have only currently active characters in the guild, in the sense of active right now.

By: Joiry

Joiry — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:05:22 +0000

I have a small guild, just a few friends more than an true guild. 8 players with 14 characters (5 mine, 2 with 2, rest 1 each atm). When none of the others were on today, I turned in a ton of quests and had several tome unlocks (location/person) due to travel some of the quests involved. No combat. I waited a while to make sure the guild xp had updated, and got the following numbers. I gained 63148 xp, and the guild gained 48251xp, which yields 76.4% of my xp also got added as guild xp.

I heard, not really confirmed, a “medium” sized guild measured its individual xp contribs at about 75%, which is amazingly close to what I got.

But, I agree, “security thru obscurity” is a failed idea, which is what mythic is practicing. By leaving their complex math hidden, it just ensures that a hardcore players might take the time that a casual guild wouldn’t to try and figure how size and activity effect the xp rates. Maybe not get it exact, but figure out something close enough to figure an optimum.

By: Chris F

Chris F — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:58:28 +0000

Instead of having POOR math and having to hide it, why not make it so the formula is strong enough that it can’t be min/max - ed, and share it. Sounds simple to me, I hate weak excuses.

At bare minimum find a min/max that is intended by developers. Guess work sucks.

By: Graktar

Graktar — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:06:16 +0000

I have two guilds, one destruction, one order. The order side guild is massive with something over 200 characters and maybe 80-100 players, 6 or so are level 30+. It’s rank 13. The destro side guild is small, with maybe 50 characters over 20 players, 4 characters are level 30+. It’s also rank 13.

While I do agree that preventing large guilds from leveling super fast is needed, I think punishing the members of large guilds by making their contribution count for half (or less) as much as smaller guilds is silly. Large guilds SHOULD be higher level than small guilds, just not runaway rank 30 vs 10. I think if my order guild were around 17-18 while the destro guild was 13 that would be perfectly reasonable.

Their fuzzy math is a little too fuzzy i think, since it overly punishes large casual guilds and overly rewards small hardcore guilds.

By: Thallian

Thallian — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:58:45 +0000

=if enough people pay us enough money, they become super leet!

By: Rog

Rog — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:55:39 +0000

Punishing moderately active alts in small guilds. Greeaaaaat.

Pretty much how I concluded it too, our small guild is still at Rank 5.

I love WAR so far, but almost every aspect of it favours zergs in one form or another, size of guild seems to be no exception.