Comments on: Ten Arguments Against Evil http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/11/04/ten-arguments-against-evil/ a group of adventurers on an epic quest Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:28:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: gattsuru http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/11/04/ten-arguments-against-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-28477 gattsuru Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:57:13 +0000 http://www.killtenrats.com/?p=2550#comment-28477 A lot of people liked Phipps' missions. On the other side of things, there are people who <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Archive/RapeTheDog" rel="nofollow">couldn't stand it</a>. Same with Hardcase -- most people couldn't stand the little twirp, but I thought it was an interesting character. Evil's a lot less universally enjoyable. A lot of people liked Phipps’ missions. On the other side of things, there are people who couldn’t stand it. Same with Hardcase — most people couldn’t stand the little twirp, but I thought it was an interesting character.

Evil’s a lot less universally enjoyable.

]]> By: Zubon http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/11/04/ten-arguments-against-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-28474 Zubon Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:46:04 +0000 http://www.killtenrats.com/?p=2550#comment-28474 I thought Westin Phipps was spot on. Actual evil! It was a long gap between Peter Themari and him. In a world of villains, there are too few who are really bad people. Hardcase sucks. Screw that do-gooder. I thought Westin Phipps was spot on. Actual evil! It was a long gap between Peter Themari and him. In a world of villains, there are too few who are really bad people.

Hardcase sucks. Screw that do-gooder.

]]> By: gattsuru http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/11/04/ten-arguments-against-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-28473 gattsuru Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:35:02 +0000 http://www.killtenrats.com/?p=2550#comment-28473 11, and a more general argument : You can not please anyone. Heroic people can use nearly any plot lines. Even Superman can get an anti-heroic plot like the last Crey story arc (and essentially did in the Justice League show). Even the worst antihero can have very plain-heroic plots. The same is not true for villains. It's <i>very</i> hard to make content that's evil enough, but not too evil. In the <i>City of Villains</i> universe, there are places that pretty clearly went too not enough (the near-universally reviled Hardcase) or went way, way too far (Westin Phillps). That's not uncommon. <i>Fallout 3</i> has nuking a small town or cannibalization or a lot of other places players can easily be uncomfortable with the Evil path. <i>Oblivion</i> had similar problems. That's frustrating in a single-player game, where you might lose some nice content, but it's absolutely unacceptable in a multi-player game, where you miss both the content and often are stuck deciding between teams or what you find acceptable. 11, and a more general argument :
You can not please anyone. Heroic people can use nearly any plot lines. Even Superman can get an anti-heroic plot like the last Crey story arc (and essentially did in the Justice League show). Even the worst antihero can have very plain-heroic plots. The same is not true for villains.

It’s very hard to make content that’s evil enough, but not too evil. In the City of Villains universe, there are places that pretty clearly went too not enough (the near-universally reviled Hardcase) or went way, way too far (Westin Phillps). That’s not uncommon. Fallout 3 has nuking a small town or cannibalization or a lot of other places players can easily be uncomfortable with the Evil path. Oblivion had similar problems.

That’s frustrating in a single-player game, where you might lose some nice content, but it’s absolutely unacceptable in a multi-player game, where you miss both the content and often are stuck deciding between teams or what you find acceptable.

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