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	<title>Comments on: Great Moments in Testing</title>
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		<title>By: Leese</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/11/29/great-moments-in-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-28856</link>
		<dc:creator>Leese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It didn&#039;t go live, the Training Room is CoH&#039;s test server.

And BAB is mainly in charge of animations and some graphical effects like auras, so I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if he didn&#039;t have the tools to mess around with the database/code outside of his usual graphical interface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It didn&#8217;t go live, the Training Room is CoH&#8217;s test server.</p>
<p>And BAB is mainly in charge of animations and some graphical effects like auras, so I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he didn&#8217;t have the tools to mess around with the database/code outside of his usual graphical interface.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2008/11/29/great-moments-in-testing/comment-page-1/#comment-28848</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking from work with the Multiverse sets and what the PWE folk talk like, it seems most simplified tools try to present little more than what&#039;s available to the normal users, and a very basic number of tools.  Having the ability to call everything by reference is powerful, but not something you want every GM or event coordinator to have a handle on.  Limiting people to what they can see and interact with keeps things from getting too dangerous.

Odd that they&#039;d let that sort of issue go live, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from work with the Multiverse sets and what the PWE folk talk like, it seems most simplified tools try to present little more than what&#8217;s available to the normal users, and a very basic number of tools.  Having the ability to call everything by reference is powerful, but not something you want every GM or event coordinator to have a handle on.  Limiting people to what they can see and interact with keeps things from getting too dangerous.</p>
<p>Odd that they&#8217;d let that sort of issue go live, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Sousily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sousily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, that&#039;s a description of crappy tools for world editing.

There&#039;s always ways to ask the world to give you back references to objects that are near you - once you have a reference you can tweak their properties - including making them visible again.

We&#039;ve had this since the days of MUD - when a big MMO such as CoH has such problems I just shake my head.

In fact, I refuse to believe the tools wouldn&#039;t allow him to see the object.  I&#039;d venture to say the guy probably didn&#039;t know how to get a reference because he suddenly couldn&#039;t click on the guy in the room anymore.  If he was a tools-coder in that room he&#039;d know a backdoor around the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, that&#8217;s a description of crappy tools for world editing.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always ways to ask the world to give you back references to objects that are near you &#8211; once you have a reference you can tweak their properties &#8211; including making them visible again.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had this since the days of MUD &#8211; when a big MMO such as CoH has such problems I just shake my head.</p>
<p>In fact, I refuse to believe the tools wouldn&#8217;t allow him to see the object.  I&#8217;d venture to say the guy probably didn&#8217;t know how to get a reference because he suddenly couldn&#8217;t click on the guy in the room anymore.  If he was a tools-coder in that room he&#8217;d know a backdoor around the problem.</p>
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