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		<title>By: EuroGamer: Darkfall Agent Provocateur? &#171; The Ancient Gaming Noob</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/06/darkfall-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-31194</link>
		<dc:creator>EuroGamer: Darkfall Agent Provocateur? &#171; The Ancient Gaming Noob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and that most of that time was spent in the character creator.  The errors did not matter.  The community would take care of that.  Adventurine just needed to sew the seeds of doubt.  EuroGamer responded that the reviewer says [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and that most of that time was spent in the character creator.  The errors did not matter.  The community would take care of that.  Adventurine just needed to sew the seeds of doubt.  EuroGamer responded that the reviewer says [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian 'Psychochild' Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian 'Psychochild' Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 06:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you take a look at both sides of the slapfight, it might make more sense.

Eurogamer thrives on hits.  I wonder if this wasn&#039;t planned, knowing that the faithful would get their panties in a bunch and spread the story around like wildfire.  As heartless_ says above, this is all great attention for Eurogamer.

&lt;i&gt;Darkfall&lt;/i&gt; has to respond, of course.  As you can see in this post, it has brought the people playing the game together to hate a common enemy.  This has probably stopped people from tearing each other apart long enough to stall the &quot;winner takes all&quot; problems that &lt;i&gt;Shadowbane&lt;/i&gt; had.  Of course, this also gets the game more attention and might tempt a few people to try it out who might not have cared otherwise.

And, as someone who has run &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meridian59.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Meridian 59&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, another PvP-focused game with a tiny advertising budget, I can appreciate what the developers have to do to get the word out on a tight budget.  They&#039;ve reacted in a way that has given them a lot more attention than they would have gotten otherwise, and that&#039;s always good for a game.  &quot;Professionalism&quot; is a red herring here.

My perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you take a look at both sides of the slapfight, it might make more sense.</p>
<p>Eurogamer thrives on hits.  I wonder if this wasn&#8217;t planned, knowing that the faithful would get their panties in a bunch and spread the story around like wildfire.  As heartless_ says above, this is all great attention for Eurogamer.</p>
<p><i>Darkfall</i> has to respond, of course.  As you can see in this post, it has brought the people playing the game together to hate a common enemy.  This has probably stopped people from tearing each other apart long enough to stall the &#8220;winner takes all&#8221; problems that <i>Shadowbane</i> had.  Of course, this also gets the game more attention and might tempt a few people to try it out who might not have cared otherwise.</p>
<p>And, as someone who has run <a href="http://www.meridian59.com/" rel="nofollow"><i>Meridian 59</i></a>, another PvP-focused game with a tiny advertising budget, I can appreciate what the developers have to do to get the word out on a tight budget.  They&#8217;ve reacted in a way that has given them a lot more attention than they would have gotten otherwise, and that&#8217;s always good for a game.  &#8220;Professionalism&#8221; is a red herring here.</p>
<p>My perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Maarvy</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/06/darkfall-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-31174</link>
		<dc:creator>Maarvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all agree a game like darkfall will ever hold a mass apeal for the mmo community everyone knew that before it was released .

People are leaving the game as they find darkfall realy isnt there cup of tea thats true it was always going to happen . Loosing everything when you die can be very frustrating and more so when you loose a city that you spent weeks to build inside a few hour&#039;s .

But on the other hand Lots join every time the shop opens and i can say this personaly from a guy that played Uo since 97 for the people who are craving the next open PvP mmo darkfall realy delivers the good&#039;s . 

About zergs .... many games have had them they come and go a few already exploded or imploded on EU1 and the political jugglings of the darkfall world are as interesting for some players as the game itself .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all agree a game like darkfall will ever hold a mass apeal for the mmo community everyone knew that before it was released .</p>
<p>People are leaving the game as they find darkfall realy isnt there cup of tea thats true it was always going to happen . Loosing everything when you die can be very frustrating and more so when you loose a city that you spent weeks to build inside a few hour&#8217;s .</p>
<p>But on the other hand Lots join every time the shop opens and i can say this personaly from a guy that played Uo since 97 for the people who are craving the next open PvP mmo darkfall realy delivers the good&#8217;s . </p>
<p>About zergs &#8230;. many games have had them they come and go a few already exploded or imploded on EU1 and the political jugglings of the darkfall world are as interesting for some players as the game itself .</p>
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		<title>By: Ethic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as you allow people to fight how they want, you will get this sort of thing. People cause the problem, complain about it, but don&#039;t find ways to keep it from happening. It IS their own fault but the game allows it. I&#039;ll be shocked the day an open PvP MMORPG is a huge success without solving this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as you allow people to fight how they want, you will get this sort of thing. People cause the problem, complain about it, but don&#8217;t find ways to keep it from happening. It IS their own fault but the game allows it. I&#8217;ll be shocked the day an open PvP MMORPG is a huge success without solving this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: bonedead</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/06/darkfall-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-31164</link>
		<dc:creator>bonedead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s their own fault.  You can&#039;t just make two big rape everything all at once alliances and expect it to be very thrilling.  My guild Murder Herd had the city closest to the Goons.  They attacked us almost everyday for a week and we stood our ground and started kicking their ass pretty much.  Then they start beating up smaller guilds and threatening people on the forums and the next thing you know they have a thousand person army.  To me that is just pussy bullshit that doesn&#039;t belong in a competitive game.  It&#039;s like a zerg in DAoC that runs over an 8 man and brags about it.

They may claim to be pvpers, but real pvpers fight honorably, they fight for the challenge of a well balanced encounter.  Instead of just fighting to win.  It&#039;s like being a real man or being a sniveling little bitch.

I&#039;m sure someone will want to say something to me about how dumb I am since they can&#039;t wrap their head around the idea of competition and sportsmanship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s their own fault.  You can&#8217;t just make two big rape everything all at once alliances and expect it to be very thrilling.  My guild Murder Herd had the city closest to the Goons.  They attacked us almost everyday for a week and we stood our ground and started kicking their ass pretty much.  Then they start beating up smaller guilds and threatening people on the forums and the next thing you know they have a thousand person army.  To me that is just pussy bullshit that doesn&#8217;t belong in a competitive game.  It&#8217;s like a zerg in DAoC that runs over an 8 man and brags about it.</p>
<p>They may claim to be pvpers, but real pvpers fight honorably, they fight for the challenge of a well balanced encounter.  Instead of just fighting to win.  It&#8217;s like being a real man or being a sniveling little bitch.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure someone will want to say something to me about how dumb I am since they can&#8217;t wrap their head around the idea of competition and sportsmanship.</p>
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		<title>By: Sok</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/06/darkfall-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-31163</link>
		<dc:creator>Sok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Maarvy and Bonedead. I think there&#039;s distinctions between:

1) Reviewing something and disliking it,
2) Disliking something then reviewing it,
3) Making honest mistakes in a review, either out of misunderstandings or changes (the Free Realms 4/10, 10/4 kerfuffle here), and
4) Deliberately lying and/or making stuff up without checking to see if it&#039;s true.

After reading the review I was willing to presume 1, 2, and a smattering of 3. That made it merely a bad, biased review. It&#039;s sounding like 4 is also true, which is (to me) pretty serious, moreso than debating if the fellow spent enough time in-game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Maarvy and Bonedead. I think there&#8217;s distinctions between:</p>
<p>1) Reviewing something and disliking it,<br />
2) Disliking something then reviewing it,<br />
3) Making honest mistakes in a review, either out of misunderstandings or changes (the Free Realms 4/10, 10/4 kerfuffle here), and<br />
4) Deliberately lying and/or making stuff up without checking to see if it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>After reading the review I was willing to presume 1, 2, and a smattering of 3. That made it merely a bad, biased review. It&#8217;s sounding like 4 is also true, which is (to me) pretty serious, moreso than debating if the fellow spent enough time in-game.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BoneDancer asks on the Darkfall forums where all the &quot;sheep&quot; have gone. Nobody to fight any more? What is going on?

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=183028

This can be a big problem with PvP games, how do you keep the losers from quitting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BoneDancer asks on the Darkfall forums where all the &#8220;sheep&#8221; have gone. Nobody to fight any more? What is going on?</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=183028" rel="nofollow">http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=183028</a></p>
<p>This can be a big problem with PvP games, how do you keep the losers from quitting?</p>
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		<title>By: bonedead</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/06/darkfall-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-31161</link>
		<dc:creator>bonedead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sok
I don&#039;t have a link handy, Maarvy stated a few of them.

I know the reviewer said that hitting your target depended on your skills, as in if you have low skill you will hit them less often.  That is wrong, it is a matter of hitting or missing, plain and simple.

He mentioned multiple servers when there is only one (which to me screams &quot;I didn&#039;t play this game&quot;).


Personally, my biggest gripe with the review is that the whole time the guy is complaining about the way the game was meant to be.  You&#039;re supposed to be vulnerable when looting, you&#039;re supposed to fight other people, you&#039;re supposed to learn how to play the game.  You&#039;re also supposed to join a clan since the game is designed around Clan vs Clan combat.  The reviewer dismisses Clan vs Clan combat as an Aventurine cop out to having &quot;content&quot; by saying it is their solution to the &quot;echoing cries of &quot;you barely have any content&quot;&quot;.  He pulled the echoing cries bit straight out of his ass.

He&#039;s just mad that he has to play a game he wouldn&#039;t have picked up on his own.  He&#039;s whining like a baby left and right about how much you die (which only happens if you don&#039;t learn from your mistakes).  He hardly gave it a shot and probably just wanted to get it over with asap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sok<br />
I don&#8217;t have a link handy, Maarvy stated a few of them.</p>
<p>I know the reviewer said that hitting your target depended on your skills, as in if you have low skill you will hit them less often.  That is wrong, it is a matter of hitting or missing, plain and simple.</p>
<p>He mentioned multiple servers when there is only one (which to me screams &#8220;I didn&#8217;t play this game&#8221;).</p>
<p>Personally, my biggest gripe with the review is that the whole time the guy is complaining about the way the game was meant to be.  You&#8217;re supposed to be vulnerable when looting, you&#8217;re supposed to fight other people, you&#8217;re supposed to learn how to play the game.  You&#8217;re also supposed to join a clan since the game is designed around Clan vs Clan combat.  The reviewer dismisses Clan vs Clan combat as an Aventurine cop out to having &#8220;content&#8221; by saying it is their solution to the &#8220;echoing cries of &#8220;you barely have any content&#8221;".  He pulled the echoing cries bit straight out of his ass.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just mad that he has to play a game he wouldn&#8217;t have picked up on his own.  He&#8217;s whining like a baby left and right about how much you die (which only happens if you don&#8217;t learn from your mistakes).  He hardly gave it a shot and probably just wanted to get it over with asap.</p>
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		<title>By: Maarvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maarvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy who wrote this review was clearly a total moron . 

&quot;use Right click to intereact and be motionless&quot; ..... Theres a use key &quot;F&quot; the same as a lot of fps games .

&quot;10 seconds to change a wepon &quot; ...... If your draging it from you back pack like a idiot instead of using the hotkey .

The guy was a clown he spent a few hours in the nube spawn getting PK&#039;d while trying  (and failing) to work out the most basic functions of the gui .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy who wrote this review was clearly a total moron . </p>
<p>&#8220;use Right click to intereact and be motionless&#8221; &#8230;.. Theres a use key &#8220;F&#8221; the same as a lot of fps games .</p>
<p>&#8220;10 seconds to change a wepon &#8221; &#8230;&#8230; If your draging it from you back pack like a idiot instead of using the hotkey .</p>
<p>The guy was a clown he spent a few hours in the nube spawn getting PK&#8217;d while trying  (and failing) to work out the most basic functions of the gui .</p>
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		<title>By: Einherjer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Einherjer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzina, you&#039;re not stupid so I must say you are full of BS. You know exactly what i meant with my two sentences yet you use the first one to avoid the point.

You claim &quot;Such passion for an MMO is uncommon.&quot;

Remember what happened when Richard Bartle said something that stirred up the WoW fanbois. Even if they didn&#039;t understood what the man meant? Did you took a shot at them then, or would that hurt whatever blog/site you were writing on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzina, you&#8217;re not stupid so I must say you are full of BS. You know exactly what i meant with my two sentences yet you use the first one to avoid the point.</p>
<p>You claim &#8220;Such passion for an MMO is uncommon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember what happened when Richard Bartle said something that stirred up the WoW fanbois. Even if they didn&#8217;t understood what the man meant? Did you took a shot at them then, or would that hurt whatever blog/site you were writing on?</p>
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