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		<title>By: charm</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-32050</link>
		<dc:creator>charm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i cant believe a person writes a review for a mmo game after playing for a few hours.Several games offer demos to lure customers,usually the first one or two levels of the game. A demo, featuring a level or 2, is enough for a platform game or a shooter but not for an mmo. there is a reason most mmo companies offer a 14 day trial .it takes 14 days to even get a glimpse of what an mmo looks like.
   surely if you start a new character on wow ,and set a clock ticking for only 2 hours ,by the time those hours have passed your opinion of the game will be that it is horrible.It is an autoattack spamfest full of quest of the &quot;kill 10 rats&quot; variant and &quot;fetch me the shopping list&quot; variant. 
    On top of that , get a guy whose dream night is ,pizza beer and raid , and get him to play a game that resembles fantasy paint-ball and you have a jackpot . 
 I agree the site needs a major change , i also think they shouldnt have made that fuzz about eurogamer review BUT they should stick to full loot and ffa pvp, thats what they promised.thats what will get money inside their pockets, not fluffy pve and holding hands quests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i cant believe a person writes a review for a mmo game after playing for a few hours.Several games offer demos to lure customers,usually the first one or two levels of the game. A demo, featuring a level or 2, is enough for a platform game or a shooter but not for an mmo. there is a reason most mmo companies offer a 14 day trial .it takes 14 days to even get a glimpse of what an mmo looks like.<br />
   surely if you start a new character on wow ,and set a clock ticking for only 2 hours ,by the time those hours have passed your opinion of the game will be that it is horrible.It is an autoattack spamfest full of quest of the &#8220;kill 10 rats&#8221; variant and &#8220;fetch me the shopping list&#8221; variant.<br />
    On top of that , get a guy whose dream night is ,pizza beer and raid , and get him to play a game that resembles fantasy paint-ball and you have a jackpot .<br />
 I agree the site needs a major change , i also think they shouldnt have made that fuzz about eurogamer review BUT they should stick to full loot and ffa pvp, thats what they promised.thats what will get money inside their pockets, not fluffy pve and holding hands quests.</p>
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		<title>By: Cybercat</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31299</link>
		<dc:creator>Cybercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aventurine&#039;s repeated review attacks have only prolonged the uneccesary attention to this review as a beacon of their attitude toward the outside world, and indeed anyone critical of their game.

Let&#039;s say none of it is true.

Why in the world would you CONTINUE to point out this reviewer when you have no other reviews (yet) to back up your points?  A single review is quickly shot down if other reviewers come to differing opinions.

At this point (debatable at the start) they are only bringing this negative attention upon themselves.  I personally, wouldn&#039;t have bought, or not bought, a game on a single review (and whose even HEARD of Eurogamer before??).  Now?  I see a whiny bitch howling at the moon for it&#039;s brightness.

There is nothing you can do Aventurine, and if you were so morally superior you would have ignored the &quot;big bad bully&quot; instead of pointing him out to every parent you can find.  And since nobody can even play your game 90% of the time, maybe you can find some review sites that &quot;actually&quot; played your game.

P.S.  Refusing the re-review was a complete dick move and destroyed your game&#039;s credibility, despite offering to fly one of their members out to your office.  Yeah, I&#039;m sure they have the time to spend 3 days out of office just to justify your log claims when you can&#039;t even keep your registration server running for a few hours at a time.

Eagerly awaiting the next bullshit drama,
Cybercat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aventurine&#8217;s repeated review attacks have only prolonged the uneccesary attention to this review as a beacon of their attitude toward the outside world, and indeed anyone critical of their game.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say none of it is true.</p>
<p>Why in the world would you CONTINUE to point out this reviewer when you have no other reviews (yet) to back up your points?  A single review is quickly shot down if other reviewers come to differing opinions.</p>
<p>At this point (debatable at the start) they are only bringing this negative attention upon themselves.  I personally, wouldn&#8217;t have bought, or not bought, a game on a single review (and whose even HEARD of Eurogamer before??).  Now?  I see a whiny bitch howling at the moon for it&#8217;s brightness.</p>
<p>There is nothing you can do Aventurine, and if you were so morally superior you would have ignored the &#8220;big bad bully&#8221; instead of pointing him out to every parent you can find.  And since nobody can even play your game 90% of the time, maybe you can find some review sites that &#8220;actually&#8221; played your game.</p>
<p>P.S.  Refusing the re-review was a complete dick move and destroyed your game&#8217;s credibility, despite offering to fly one of their members out to your office.  Yeah, I&#8217;m sure they have the time to spend 3 days out of office just to justify your log claims when you can&#8217;t even keep your registration server running for a few hours at a time.</p>
<p>Eagerly awaiting the next bullshit drama,<br />
Cybercat</p>
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		<title>By: Syncaine</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31291</link>
		<dc:creator>Syncaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At it&#039;s highest level, DF is indeed a mix of UO and SB, but at that level everything else is just an EQ clone. If we zoom in only a bit, it&#039;s not like UO because of the combat (all aspects of it), it&#039;s not SB because it works (no sb.exe), and it&#039;s on its own in that for the first time since UO, a real PvP based MMO is solid/stable enough to actually be enjoyed (outside of the EG crowd at least).

For a small dev without major backing, that SHOULD be viewed as rather groundbreaking, considering the rest of the industry believe you have to have a 50mil+ budget and a major publisher to create a viable subscription-based MMO. Imagine if every niche of the MMO space (hardcore group PvE, exploration, economy, etc) got a DarkFall-like game, each with it&#039;s own unique take on design ideas. I&#039;ll take that over more WoW 1.5 MMOs any day, and would view that shift as rather groundbreaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At it&#8217;s highest level, DF is indeed a mix of UO and SB, but at that level everything else is just an EQ clone. If we zoom in only a bit, it&#8217;s not like UO because of the combat (all aspects of it), it&#8217;s not SB because it works (no sb.exe), and it&#8217;s on its own in that for the first time since UO, a real PvP based MMO is solid/stable enough to actually be enjoyed (outside of the EG crowd at least).</p>
<p>For a small dev without major backing, that SHOULD be viewed as rather groundbreaking, considering the rest of the industry believe you have to have a 50mil+ budget and a major publisher to create a viable subscription-based MMO. Imagine if every niche of the MMO space (hardcore group PvE, exploration, economy, etc) got a DarkFall-like game, each with it&#8217;s own unique take on design ideas. I&#8217;ll take that over more WoW 1.5 MMOs any day, and would view that shift as rather groundbreaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiber</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31236</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Aside from Eve, Darkfall is the only groundbreaking MMO to come out in YEARS.”

Different from the norm, of course. But hardly “groundbreaking” considering it follows squarely in the vein of UO, Shadowbane and a few others.

Before someone nukes my pants for that comment, stop and think. I didn’t say ‘clone’, I didn’t say ‘copy’, I didn’t say ‘remake’, I didn’t say ‘knock off’, I didn’t say ‘derivative’. I said ‘follows squarely in the the vein’. Which means its not really breaking any ground, but following in the steps of others. A perfectly cool thing to do in my book, but come on now, we’re not talking about the second coming of anything here.&quot;

I&#039;ll agree with you to some extent. But other than Vanguard, Darkfall is the only game out there that&#039;s attempted to make an entirely seamless instance free loading free world, AND it did it while hosting 25 thousand players online, with 500 man battles and twitch combat a la Elderscrolls 4 Oblivion. With the siege works, mounted combat, arrow and spell physics, yes same vein, but for 30 guys its a technological breakthrough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Aside from Eve, Darkfall is the only groundbreaking MMO to come out in YEARS.”</p>
<p>Different from the norm, of course. But hardly “groundbreaking” considering it follows squarely in the vein of UO, Shadowbane and a few others.</p>
<p>Before someone nukes my pants for that comment, stop and think. I didn’t say ‘clone’, I didn’t say ‘copy’, I didn’t say ‘remake’, I didn’t say ‘knock off’, I didn’t say ‘derivative’. I said ‘follows squarely in the the vein’. Which means its not really breaking any ground, but following in the steps of others. A perfectly cool thing to do in my book, but come on now, we’re not talking about the second coming of anything here.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with you to some extent. But other than Vanguard, Darkfall is the only game out there that&#8217;s attempted to make an entirely seamless instance free loading free world, AND it did it while hosting 25 thousand players online, with 500 man battles and twitch combat a la Elderscrolls 4 Oblivion. With the siege works, mounted combat, arrow and spell physics, yes same vein, but for 30 guys its a technological breakthrough.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31225</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 16:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Aside from Eve, Darkfall is the only groundbreaking MMO to come out in YEARS.&quot;

Different from the norm, of course. But hardly &quot;groundbreaking&quot; considering it follows squarely in the vein of UO, Shadowbane and a few others.

Before someone nukes my pants for that comment, stop and think. I didn&#039;t say &#039;clone&#039;, I didn&#039;t say &#039;copy&#039;, I didn&#039;t say &#039;remake&#039;, I didn&#039;t say &#039;knock off&#039;, I didn&#039;t say &#039;derivative&#039;. I said &#039;follows squarely in the the vein&#039;. Which means its not really breaking any ground, but following in the steps of others. A perfectly cool thing to do in my book, but come on now, we&#039;re not talking about the second coming of anything here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Aside from Eve, Darkfall is the only groundbreaking MMO to come out in YEARS.&#8221;</p>
<p>Different from the norm, of course. But hardly &#8220;groundbreaking&#8221; considering it follows squarely in the vein of UO, Shadowbane and a few others.</p>
<p>Before someone nukes my pants for that comment, stop and think. I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;clone&#8217;, I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;copy&#8217;, I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;remake&#8217;, I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;knock off&#8217;, I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;derivative&#8217;. I said &#8216;follows squarely in the the vein&#8217;. Which means its not really breaking any ground, but following in the steps of others. A perfectly cool thing to do in my book, but come on now, we&#8217;re not talking about the second coming of anything here.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiber</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31222</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kill 10 rats, an epic quest&quot; is exactly what&#039;s wrong with the MMO industry, all the quick leveling loot based, no risk vs reward WoW clones that have come out. Good MMOs seemed to die for the most part in 2005, even MMOs like Middle Earth Online did a 180 at the last minute and turned into LotRO WoW clone. Aside from Eve, Darkfall is the only groundbreaking MMO to come out in YEARS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kill 10 rats, an epic quest&#8221; is exactly what&#8217;s wrong with the MMO industry, all the quick leveling loot based, no risk vs reward WoW clones that have come out. Good MMOs seemed to die for the most part in 2005, even MMOs like Middle Earth Online did a 180 at the last minute and turned into LotRO WoW clone. Aside from Eve, Darkfall is the only groundbreaking MMO to come out in YEARS.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiber</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31221</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all like having a full loot system, thanks. It&#039;s what makes the game different from the WoW shit shoveled out the past 5 years. 

Also, don&#039;t you think if they COULD sell the game to everyone, they would? They&#039;re a company and they like money. 

And lastly, everyone on the forums had already read the review before the news post and were broiling with how many factual errors it had. 

They really need to update the website though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all like having a full loot system, thanks. It&#8217;s what makes the game different from the WoW shit shoveled out the past 5 years. </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t you think if they COULD sell the game to everyone, they would? They&#8217;re a company and they like money. </p>
<p>And lastly, everyone on the forums had already read the review before the news post and were broiling with how many factual errors it had. </p>
<p>They really need to update the website though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mythokia</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31216</link>
		<dc:creator>Mythokia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 11:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to disagree with #4. It&#039;s a niche they&#039;re catering to, and as much as a large amount of MMO players dislike having such huge death penalties, it is not this crowd that the game is marketed towards. On the contrary, it is a defining point of the game, even positively so.

People complain whenever a new MMO is released and say &quot;I can do that in WoW too&quot;. Yet a different game with a set of a rules that these people are not used to comes along and they receive it with such hostility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to disagree with #4. It&#8217;s a niche they&#8217;re catering to, and as much as a large amount of MMO players dislike having such huge death penalties, it is not this crowd that the game is marketed towards. On the contrary, it is a defining point of the game, even positively so.</p>
<p>People complain whenever a new MMO is released and say &#8220;I can do that in WoW too&#8221;. Yet a different game with a set of a rules that these people are not used to comes along and they receive it with such hostility.</p>
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		<title>By: Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31214</link>
		<dc:creator>Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if only Aventurine would communicate with their players 1/3 the rate they&#039;ve communicated/whined to the world about eurogamer then maybe we could get somewhere.  Their account management was down for three days (while this was all going on) and not one mention of it, yet they made all those whine threads.  gfg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if only Aventurine would communicate with their players 1/3 the rate they&#8217;ve communicated/whined to the world about eurogamer then maybe we could get somewhere.  Their account management was down for three days (while this was all going on) and not one mention of it, yet they made all those whine threads.  gfg.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/05/08/darkfall-team-ignores-conventional-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-31212</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For feck&#039;s sake, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For feck&#8217;s sake, no.</p>
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