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		<title>By: YoYo</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32845</link>
		<dc:creator>YoYo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I see your complaint and just have to ask one question. Do you really want blizzard to focus on that issue? or the issues that really really piss people off like spending 2 hours trying to get into an instance and still no luck? or the lack of balance in the game? You see there are so many stupid ass issues that blizzard is being blitzed left and right by and nobody will ever be happy with the game. Im not saying you dont have a valid point. but even if blizzard had 1 employee for every complain that went through that people didnt like than the progress would still move just as slow. Damn people cant be satisfied by anything anymore lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I see your complaint and just have to ask one question. Do you really want blizzard to focus on that issue? or the issues that really really piss people off like spending 2 hours trying to get into an instance and still no luck? or the lack of balance in the game? You see there are so many stupid ass issues that blizzard is being blitzed left and right by and nobody will ever be happy with the game. Im not saying you dont have a valid point. but even if blizzard had 1 employee for every complain that went through that people didnt like than the progress would still move just as slow. Damn people cant be satisfied by anything anymore lol.</p>
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		<title>By: voider</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32292</link>
		<dc:creator>voider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a way to get at least BC with the original game: the World of Warcraft Battle Chest (http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000044).  It&#039;s more expensive than the original box but cheaper than the original box + BC.  However, buying each box separately should give you two free months of subscription and you should get a third free month when you buy Wrath.  It&#039;s been a while since I set up a new account so I might be mis-remembering the free time.

@fettpett: The Blood Elf and Draenei newbie zones really are limited.  Even with BC you can&#039;t take a level 1 Undead into Eversong Woods and pick up quests there.  They are race-limited.  Razorbax was right about at least those two zones.  You&#039;ll want to get to level 5 in your own starting zone before heading to the Blood Elf or Draenei areas and then pick up from the second newbie quest hub and not the very first one.  However, you&#039;ll still miss a few other quests along the way that are also race-limited.  For example, the epic zone-ending quest for Bloodmyst Isle area is available to Draenei only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a way to get at least BC with the original game: the World of Warcraft Battle Chest (<a href="http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000044" rel="nofollow">http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000044</a>).  It&#8217;s more expensive than the original box but cheaper than the original box + BC.  However, buying each box separately should give you two free months of subscription and you should get a third free month when you buy Wrath.  It&#8217;s been a while since I set up a new account so I might be mis-remembering the free time.</p>
<p>@fettpett: The Blood Elf and Draenei newbie zones really are limited.  Even with BC you can&#8217;t take a level 1 Undead into Eversong Woods and pick up quests there.  They are race-limited.  Razorbax was right about at least those two zones.  You&#8217;ll want to get to level 5 in your own starting zone before heading to the Blood Elf or Draenei areas and then pick up from the second newbie quest hub and not the very first one.  However, you&#8217;ll still miss a few other quests along the way that are also race-limited.  For example, the epic zone-ending quest for Bloodmyst Isle area is available to Draenei only.</p>
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		<title>By: fettpett</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32210</link>
		<dc:creator>fettpett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can quest anywhere at level 1, you&#039;re not limited in starting zones like other mmo&#039;s. Blizz did the right thing and didn&#039;t put you in linear starting areas like most mmo&#039;s the problem you had was that you couldn&#039;t get to the Belf area cuz you didn&#039;t have BC, not that you were Undead

I&#039;ve done RaF twice and not had any issues with it. get yourself a game card put it in and give your wife her zhevra mount, have fun. the SoR is a pain but it&#039;s for people that haven&#039;t played in a long time. Restarting your old Wrath or BC one would have cost you a lot less ($30 game card or 15 on the spot with credit card, plus Wrath if you wanted in on the BC account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can quest anywhere at level 1, you&#8217;re not limited in starting zones like other mmo&#8217;s. Blizz did the right thing and didn&#8217;t put you in linear starting areas like most mmo&#8217;s the problem you had was that you couldn&#8217;t get to the Belf area cuz you didn&#8217;t have BC, not that you were Undead</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done RaF twice and not had any issues with it. get yourself a game card put it in and give your wife her zhevra mount, have fun. the SoR is a pain but it&#8217;s for people that haven&#8217;t played in a long time. Restarting your old Wrath or BC one would have cost you a lot less ($30 game card or 15 on the spot with credit card, plus Wrath if you wanted in on the BC account.</p>
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		<title>By: fettpett</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32209</link>
		<dc:creator>fettpett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just make sure when you get to 60 that you don&#039;t surpass it until you&#039;ve given out all your grant a level, as soon as you hit 61 you lose them.

and oh, there is a 10 day trail for BC that you could have used and upgraded right from your account page, and saved you the trip to the store</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just make sure when you get to 60 that you don&#8217;t surpass it until you&#8217;ve given out all your grant a level, as soon as you hit 61 you lose them.</p>
<p>and oh, there is a 10 day trail for BC that you could have used and upgraded right from your account page, and saved you the trip to the store</p>
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		<title>By: Razorbax</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32202</link>
		<dc:creator>Razorbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking at using SoR shortly as well. Thanks for the info.

PS. Starting Quests from level 1 to 5 are only available in your own starting area. If you grind to level 5, you can do quests in any area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking at using SoR shortly as well. Thanks for the info.</p>
<p>PS. Starting Quests from level 1 to 5 are only available in your own starting area. If you grind to level 5, you can do quests in any area.</p>
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		<title>By: DiamondShade0</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32195</link>
		<dc:creator>DiamondShade0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Armagon

You didn&#039;t lose those 10 free days.

I recently (at Christmas) &quot;recruited&quot; my 2 brothers.
We had the same problem of limited play through the trial account and so we upgraded rapidly. (But we didn&#039;t go buy the game at the store, we upgraded it by internet and installed it with my cds)
And when we went and checked the account management page, the day it finaly really upgraded, we saw that my brothers had about 7 days left of the free 10 days, and after that they had the free 1st month all new accounts get.

So the 10 free days doesn&#039;t get lost when you upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Armagon</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t lose those 10 free days.</p>
<p>I recently (at Christmas) &#8220;recruited&#8221; my 2 brothers.<br />
We had the same problem of limited play through the trial account and so we upgraded rapidly. (But we didn&#8217;t go buy the game at the store, we upgraded it by internet and installed it with my cds)<br />
And when we went and checked the account management page, the day it finaly really upgraded, we saw that my brothers had about 7 days left of the free 10 days, and after that they had the free 1st month all new accounts get.</p>
<p>So the 10 free days doesn&#8217;t get lost when you upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethic</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32170</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I&#039;m only arguing with you because you are right of course.

But still, playing video games with my wife is powerful motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I&#8217;m only arguing with you because you are right of course.</p>
<p>But still, playing video games with my wife is powerful motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: West Karana » Daily Blogroll 6/24 &#8212; I Love Allergies edition</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32169</link>
		<dc:creator>West Karana » Daily Blogroll 6/24 &#8212; I Love Allergies edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thing about WoW, if you&#8217;re Blizzard, is that you can&#8217;t beat players away with a STICK, as Zubon found when he tried to sign back up. No matter how many roadblocks Blizzard threw in his way, no matter how much it cost him to do it, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thing about WoW, if you&#8217;re Blizzard, is that you can&#8217;t beat players away with a STICK, as Zubon found when he tried to sign back up. No matter how many roadblocks Blizzard threw in his way, no matter how much it cost him to do it, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian 'Psychochild' Green</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32165</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian 'Psychochild' Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but a truly new player would not have had one of your problems with the scroll of resurrection.  And, I figure most people intending to use the refer-a-friend program are going to want to get their friend up to the highest levels ASAP, so that means buying the expansions quickly.  I suspect you&#039;ll find that you will run out of levels before your &quot;free month&quot; is over from the stories I&#039;ve heard.

The further reality here is that WoW&#039;s ability to attract new players is limited.  People have already pointed out that the press releases are starting to brag about fewer numbers.  So, I suspect that most of the people using these systems are like you: they want to play with a friend or loved one.  Or, they want to work up a second account for whatever reason.

Look, I agree with you.  I think that&#039;s not the ideal way to treat customers, new or returning.  But, my point here is that you&#039;ve just demonstrated to Blizzard that in your case, there is no need to change their system.  You have shown you will put up with a lot of abuse and still pay them for the privilege.  Even a casual reader will see that you still chose to play the game.  The only real way your story would have had the necessary punch is if you had said at the end, &quot;and so I decided not to play.&quot;

Keep this in mind when you&#039;re tempted to buy the expansions when you hit level 60.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but a truly new player would not have had one of your problems with the scroll of resurrection.  And, I figure most people intending to use the refer-a-friend program are going to want to get their friend up to the highest levels ASAP, so that means buying the expansions quickly.  I suspect you&#8217;ll find that you will run out of levels before your &#8220;free month&#8221; is over from the stories I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
<p>The further reality here is that WoW&#8217;s ability to attract new players is limited.  People have already pointed out that the press releases are starting to brag about fewer numbers.  So, I suspect that most of the people using these systems are like you: they want to play with a friend or loved one.  Or, they want to work up a second account for whatever reason.</p>
<p>Look, I agree with you.  I think that&#8217;s not the ideal way to treat customers, new or returning.  But, my point here is that you&#8217;ve just demonstrated to Blizzard that in your case, there is no need to change their system.  You have shown you will put up with a lot of abuse and still pay them for the privilege.  Even a casual reader will see that you still chose to play the game.  The only real way your story would have had the necessary punch is if you had said at the end, &#8220;and so I decided not to play.&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep this in mind when you&#8217;re tempted to buy the expansions when you hit level 60.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethic</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/23/the-rough-road-back-to-wow/comment-page-1/#comment-32163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the main crux of my complaint was thinking about it from the viewpoint of a new player. I&#039;m not so sure all new players would have put up with it. I knew what I was getting in for, the triple XP, so I knew it would be worth it. Maybe a new player would think so as well. I guess I look at it from customer service, being in that line of work. I do everything possible to keep my customers happy, so they way Blizzard treats customers baffles me. You are correct of course, but the only reason *I* tolerated it was because of my wife. If it was my brother or a friend, I would not have. That I can guarantee.

I can honestly say, if I had read something like this before I went through it, I just might not have bothered. They got me, because I was not expecting it and they had me jumping through small hoops the whole time. If someone had shown me the course of hoops ahead of time, I&#039;m not sure I would have bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the main crux of my complaint was thinking about it from the viewpoint of a new player. I&#8217;m not so sure all new players would have put up with it. I knew what I was getting in for, the triple XP, so I knew it would be worth it. Maybe a new player would think so as well. I guess I look at it from customer service, being in that line of work. I do everything possible to keep my customers happy, so they way Blizzard treats customers baffles me. You are correct of course, but the only reason *I* tolerated it was because of my wife. If it was my brother or a friend, I would not have. That I can guarantee.</p>
<p>I can honestly say, if I had read something like this before I went through it, I just might not have bothered. They got me, because I was not expecting it and they had me jumping through small hoops the whole time. If someone had shown me the course of hoops ahead of time, I&#8217;m not sure I would have bothered.</p>
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