Comments on: Do It For Me

By: T. Derscheid

T. Derscheid — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:58:44 +0000

The way the Discworld MUD solved this to a certain extent is that killing mobs only nets some experience, it’s burying that gives the majority of xp. Burying a corpse also nets you a boost in guild points (essentially mana), so it’s fairly customary to have an arrangement where the highest-level person (or the most motivated person doing the leading) also does the burying. This lets them then charge into the next set of mobs with all guns blazing (backstab/behead/spells), while the noobs being boosted have their mana regen at a slower rate, hacking while they can and hoping that they’ll do a lucky hit to get the extra shot of xp from the coup de grace.

By: yunk

yunk — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:26:58 +0000

All removing XP gain will do is kill the little grouping that is done.
Sure high levels won’t boost people through dungeons.
Instead people just won’t go through dungeons or do any group quests.
I don’t think that’s really a solution.
Because what is the core problem?
Is the core problem people want to be boosted?
Or the core problem people are not attracted to the group content anymore?

Human nature tells us the first problem, people wanting to be boosted, will never go away, so there’s little point in trying to stop it. You will just create perverse incentives that make things worse. (Such as the xp penalty for grouping so people wouldn’t get through the content too easily, instead made people avoid grouping for soloable quests) This is what usually happens even in real life when we try to discourage behavior.

Which leaves us with our core problem, all this group content no one wants to do.

By: Of Community Norms | Kill Ten Rats

Of Community Norms | Kill Ten Rats — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:04:36 +0000

[...] 1-4 alts” for the past year, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that someone is going to do it for you. The group leader might be amiss in putting together anything else without warning people. If you [...]

By: We Fly Spitfires

We Fly Spitfires — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:34:16 +0000

I’m glad someone else is bothered by this because it’s one of my biggest problems with WoW. For a MMO, it doesn’t seem to actively encourage grouping. Exp gain whilst in groups isn’t very good at all (and you’re probably better off just soloing quests) and getting a group together is a royal pain. Everyone just wants to boost through dungeons.

The solution? Simple.

Prevent ALL exp gain from grouping with someone too high and increase group exp bonus.

Easy.

By: Alma

Alma — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:23:31 +0000

People in WoW being lazy and inconsiderate…nothing new, unfortunately.
But *religion* spammers? Really? First time I hear about it. And I thought I’d seen it all…

By: yunk

yunk — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:22:52 +0000

Even in guild raids I will leave Dal and arrive at the instance while they are still asking for summons. That annoys me so much.

And I don’t dare let an under 13 avatar friend me in Wizard 101, or let someone friend me I haven’t talked to first. It’s constant begging all the time.

If you don’t help you are selfish. If you have a problem with being forced to help you are even more selfish. Just like real life! ;)

I am not surprised because I meet people every day with this attitude. Not that they themselves feel so entitled as much as they have no problem with the idea that others are entitled to the work or money of other people. Of course I work at a non profit so I should expect it, but it always shocks me to hear those sentiments.

By: SmakenDahed

SmakenDahed — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:22:28 +0000

Hey, I pay 15$ a month for this game so you had better entertain ME dammit!

Yes, people are incredibly lazy about getting summons. Trapped in Ironforge while your Hearthstone is on cooldown and you want to hit Heroic Nexus? Okay, I can be forgiving about that, but if you’re sitting in Dalaran doing nothing instead of hauling ass to the meeting stone… welcome back to LFG.

One of the joys of being the group leader is that you get the almighty “punt from group” button.

By: Zubon

Zubon — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:41:08 +0000

I’ve been in Deadmines with a level 80 in the past month. Xp flows readily enough.

By: Ikew

Ikew — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:45:19 +0000

Yeah… wowers are generally lazy. You need to boss them up a bit. And if you ask twice “okay, who will help me summon?” and noone answers within 5 minutes, leaving the group is probably the best option anyway.

As for instances done by lvl 80 and his tiny friend – it was called “boosting” in my time and was indeed performed only for gear and quests. There was virtually no exp to be gained that way. Many people did want it, as many people did want free gold from me – this is why we keep making the word “newbie” shorter and shorter. Also, /ignoring these people early on gives you an easy way to avoid pug-ing with them for heroics and raids later :)

By: Jemre

Jemre — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:14:25 +0000

@Joshua – I have a feeling something has changed. no proof, but the number of people asking for power-runs seems to be huge.

I know the recruit a friend scheme makes powerlevelling stupidly easy – you can get from 11 to 21 in less than an hour running deadmines with an 80 pulling it all, then move to stockades or gnomer and repeat. totally ridiculous.

@Zubon: yeah. the number of people who just expect things to be done for them is astounding at the moment, and all it leads to is people who then don’t know how to play their class in a proper group run.

“Give me what I want; give it to me faster; if I actually have to spell out what I want, ur a griefer or noob lolsauce.”

sadly totally right, and now in guilds at 80 it’s so annoying to try weed out people who come in with that mentality and expect to gear up on the backs of others.