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		<title>By: yunk</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34851</link>
		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you could refuse, for RP reasons I never did the apothecary quests. I was an undercover operative on my Forsaken. but other characers did.

I was hoping for a few seconds a radical change was going to happen. Sylvanus betrays the Horde? Yes! Civil war here we come! I should not have gotten my hopes up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you could refuse, for RP reasons I never did the apothecary quests. I was an undercover operative on my Forsaken. but other characers did.</p>
<p>I was hoping for a few seconds a radical change was going to happen. Sylvanus betrays the Horde? Yes! Civil war here we come! I should not have gotten my hopes up.</p>
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		<title>By: Zubon</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34844</link>
		<dc:creator>Zubon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidityIsTheOnlyOption&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stupidity is the only option&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#039;s also not really an &quot;oops&quot; if you go for it and support the Forsaken.  &quot;Did you think we had forgotten?  Did you think we had forgiven?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidityIsTheOnlyOption" rel="nofollow">Stupidity is the only option</a>.  It&#8217;s also not really an &#8220;oops&#8221; if you go for it and support the Forsaken.  &#8220;Did you think we had forgotten?  Did you think we had forgiven?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34843</link>
		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which underlines that you can&#039;t question them on those slightly suspicious quests from day one.  You just go through the motions like everyone else.  It&#039;s not really an &quot;oops&quot; if you don&#039;t have a way to change the outcome.

Whee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which underlines that you can&#8217;t question them on those slightly suspicious quests from day one.  You just go through the motions like everyone else.  It&#8217;s not really an &#8220;oops&#8221; if you don&#8217;t have a way to change the outcome.</p>
<p>Whee.</p>
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		<title>By: Hess</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-/#comment-34837</link>
		<dc:creator>Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s probably why I’m getting such a blast out of Fallen Earth, where most of the NPCs treat my character like dirt even after I’ve helped them, and where every favor I do makes me three enemies for every friend.&quot;

I was going to say the same thing.

There&#039;s no way to become a hero either. People might become nefarious within the community but there&#039;s no dragon slaying or deity smiting to be had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s probably why I’m getting such a blast out of Fallen Earth, where most of the NPCs treat my character like dirt even after I’ve helped them, and where every favor I do makes me three enemies for every friend.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was going to say the same thing.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way to become a hero either. People might become nefarious within the community but there&#8217;s no dragon slaying or deity smiting to be had.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34836</link>
		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moment the Battle for the Undercity becomes epic is when you&#039;ve played it through from both Horde and Alliance viewpoints, and you&#039;ve seen the whole story.

The questline leading to it for Horde characters is full of portent, leading up to it for 2 zones worth of content, as Jezebeau mentioned.  I found that, playing Alliance, the Wrathgate just kinda .. happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moment the Battle for the Undercity becomes epic is when you&#8217;ve played it through from both Horde and Alliance viewpoints, and you&#8217;ve seen the whole story.</p>
<p>The questline leading to it for Horde characters is full of portent, leading up to it for 2 zones worth of content, as Jezebeau mentioned.  I found that, playing Alliance, the Wrathgate just kinda .. happened.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34834</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>consider this:
Phasing in world of warcraft means that other players are not able to see other players.

As a consequence - any phasing quest must be completable even if you are the only participant.

Yes it probably looks like a trail ride but there&#039;s probably no way to make your contribution worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>consider this:<br />
Phasing in world of warcraft means that other players are not able to see other players.</p>
<p>As a consequence &#8211; any phasing quest must be completable even if you are the only participant.</p>
<p>Yes it probably looks like a trail ride but there&#8217;s probably no way to make your contribution worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34833</link>
		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great example of letting players tell the story versus making the player an extra in the pseudo-interactive and actually rather cinematic storyline on rails.

IMO Star Wars: The Old Republic is in grave danger of taking this path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great example of letting players tell the story versus making the player an extra in the pseudo-interactive and actually rather cinematic storyline on rails.</p>
<p>IMO Star Wars: The Old Republic is in grave danger of taking this path.</p>
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		<title>By: Jezebeau</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34831</link>
		<dc:creator>Jezebeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That quest-line has even more impact for horde characters, who&#039;d been aiding the Royal Apothecary Society in slightly suspicious experiments over the entire leveling game from the very beginning.  It was a big oops for most of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That quest-line has even more impact for horde characters, who&#8217;d been aiding the Royal Apothecary Society in slightly suspicious experiments over the entire leveling game from the very beginning.  It was a big oops for most of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Hirvox</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34828</link>
		<dc:creator>Hirvox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s even less epic when the quest bugs and you &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; have the buffs. Everything except the normal Forsaken patrols curbstomp you, so I had to stay well away from the event and sneak in after Thrall and Sylvanas had cleared everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s even less epic when the quest bugs and you <i>don&#8217;t</i> have the buffs. Everything except the normal Forsaken patrols curbstomp you, so I had to stay well away from the event and sneak in after Thrall and Sylvanas had cleared everything.</p>
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		<title>By: pjharvey</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/11/03/veteran-of-the-wrathgate/comment-page-1/#comment-34827</link>
		<dc:creator>pjharvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first time a character of mine became a veteran of the Wrathgate I was bored by being nothing more than an audience to the action.  The second time, I actually nodded off.

It isn&#039;t &#039;epic&#039; to kill a thousand ants with boiling water, and taking twenty minutes to do it doesn&#039;t change that.  It&#039;s a disappointing conclusion to the quest change and achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first time a character of mine became a veteran of the Wrathgate I was bored by being nothing more than an audience to the action.  The second time, I actually nodded off.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t &#8216;epic&#8217; to kill a thousand ants with boiling water, and taking twenty minutes to do it doesn&#8217;t change that.  It&#8217;s a disappointing conclusion to the quest change and achievement.</p>
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