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		<title>By: VatecD</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2010/01/12/a-bloggers-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-36598</link>
		<dc:creator>VatecD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, most &quot;real&quot; journalists are embarrassingly unprofessional nowadays, as well. Every time I see a story that doesn&#039;t include &quot;who, what, where, when, why&quot; I die a little inside. And these &quot;real&quot; journalists are PAID to produce this tripe.

Also, Brandon, makes some very good points that are related. Even those journalists who are competent enough to manage the basics still often fail by taking &quot;authorities&quot; at their word (but he&#039;s an ECONOMIST, of course he&#039;s knows what he&#039;s talking about) or completely ignoring their own biases (Think &quot;gunman slaughters teenager on sidewalk&quot; when the actual facts show that the &quot;gunman&quot; was 80, the &quot;teenager&quot; was an 18 year old crack addict, and the only reason anyone was &quot;slaughtered&quot; anywhere was because the &quot;teenager&quot; was attempting to rob the &quot;gunman&quot; while wielding a completely insignicant, not even worthy of a footnote, butcher knife.).

Thanks, I&#039;ll take the &quot;amateur&quot; work of the bloggers any day over the pablum produced by the &quot;professionals....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, most &#8220;real&#8221; journalists are embarrassingly unprofessional nowadays, as well. Every time I see a story that doesn&#8217;t include &#8220;who, what, where, when, why&#8221; I die a little inside. And these &#8220;real&#8221; journalists are PAID to produce this tripe.</p>
<p>Also, Brandon, makes some very good points that are related. Even those journalists who are competent enough to manage the basics still often fail by taking &#8220;authorities&#8221; at their word (but he&#8217;s an ECONOMIST, of course he&#8217;s knows what he&#8217;s talking about) or completely ignoring their own biases (Think &#8220;gunman slaughters teenager on sidewalk&#8221; when the actual facts show that the &#8220;gunman&#8221; was 80, the &#8220;teenager&#8221; was an 18 year old crack addict, and the only reason anyone was &#8220;slaughtered&#8221; anywhere was because the &#8220;teenager&#8221; was attempting to rob the &#8220;gunman&#8221; while wielding a completely insignicant, not even worthy of a footnote, butcher knife.).</p>
<p>Thanks, I&#8217;ll take the &#8220;amateur&#8221; work of the bloggers any day over the pablum produced by the &#8220;professionals&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2010/01/12/a-bloggers-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-36561</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with trying to pin this to some definition of what journalism is, is that mainstream journalism has become a farce as of recent. Glenn Greenwald has written at length about the failures of current mainstream journalism. His main point is that taking objectivity to an extreme is detrimental. If you just try to present the &quot;facts&quot; and every &quot;fact&quot; is just citing a source, then all you do is empower those who are officially &quot;recognized&quot; to spout bullshit and have it accepted as reality.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/18/cronkite/index.html

Presenting all the facts without filtering them through a reality filter is exactly what our news media is fucking up. Yes, this means that bias can and does have an impact. But presenting both sides of an argument without pointing out the complete bullshit that one side harbors is itself disingenuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with trying to pin this to some definition of what journalism is, is that mainstream journalism has become a farce as of recent. Glenn Greenwald has written at length about the failures of current mainstream journalism. His main point is that taking objectivity to an extreme is detrimental. If you just try to present the &#8220;facts&#8221; and every &#8220;fact&#8221; is just citing a source, then all you do is empower those who are officially &#8220;recognized&#8221; to spout bullshit and have it accepted as reality.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/18/cronkite/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/18/cronkite/index.html</a></p>
<p>Presenting all the facts without filtering them through a reality filter is exactly what our news media is fucking up. Yes, this means that bias can and does have an impact. But presenting both sides of an argument without pointing out the complete bullshit that one side harbors is itself disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: yunk</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2010/01/12/a-bloggers-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-36560</link>
		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main concern is allowing more competition instead of putting up barriers. The government is openly talking about &quot;bailouts&quot; of newspapers now, which will only serve to stifle new media and the type of information that people actually want. Newspapers are dying, it&#039;s merely progress in information technology. Times are changing and news organizations can find other ways of reporting and making a living. Even more important: if an independent press is important then having one beholden to government handouts is sure as hell NOT independent.

Secondly there have been plenty of cases of prosecutors going after bloggers or people who have reporting information over the internet. They claim they are not journalists and so must give up their sources. (it has happened before to people in the middle of writing a book, but in these internet cases it has already been published). To me they are acting as journlists: they found information and reported it. To the prosector they are just gossips. 

Of course then there&#039;s the FEC and congress wanting to control what we say about politicians. Or the new FTC rules requiring disclosure (and as we all know regulation assumes you are guilty until you prove you are innocent, unlike criminal law, so bloggers better save your receipts ).

That to me is scary and a threat to the first amendment rights of the average person. And that is precisely why &quot;is a blogger a journalist&quot; is important. It is not just an academic excercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main concern is allowing more competition instead of putting up barriers. The government is openly talking about &#8220;bailouts&#8221; of newspapers now, which will only serve to stifle new media and the type of information that people actually want. Newspapers are dying, it&#8217;s merely progress in information technology. Times are changing and news organizations can find other ways of reporting and making a living. Even more important: if an independent press is important then having one beholden to government handouts is sure as hell NOT independent.</p>
<p>Secondly there have been plenty of cases of prosecutors going after bloggers or people who have reporting information over the internet. They claim they are not journalists and so must give up their sources. (it has happened before to people in the middle of writing a book, but in these internet cases it has already been published). To me they are acting as journlists: they found information and reported it. To the prosector they are just gossips. </p>
<p>Of course then there&#8217;s the FEC and congress wanting to control what we say about politicians. Or the new FTC rules requiring disclosure (and as we all know regulation assumes you are guilty until you prove you are innocent, unlike criminal law, so bloggers better save your receipts ).</p>
<p>That to me is scary and a threat to the first amendment rights of the average person. And that is precisely why &#8220;is a blogger a journalist&#8221; is important. It is not just an academic excercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy "Youngblood" Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy "Youngblood" Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was my point. You and I agree on why press regarding M59 slowed.

I know the comment about you sitting in the corner was facetious, but since I have your attention, M59 is responsible for the MMO genre of today. WoW would not be WoW without the work of NDS and M59. You guys should be very proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my point. You and I agree on why press regarding M59 slowed.</p>
<p>I know the comment about you sitting in the corner was facetious, but since I have your attention, M59 is responsible for the MMO genre of today. WoW would not be WoW without the work of NDS and M59. You guys should be very proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian 'Psychochild' Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian 'Psychochild' Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m unsure of your point, then.  The reason why M59 hasn&#039;t gotten coverage in the last few years is because we&#039;ve not done much with it.  When we worked on the rendering engine upgrade and then didn&#039;t see an more interest in the game in 2004, that really stopped my active development on the game.  Small game + no news = no coverage.  Not surprising.

Unless you mean that M59 hasn&#039;t gotten coverage because I don&#039;t sit quietly in the corner and hope someone deigns to notice my good work?  Heh.

At any rate, thanks for mentioning that the game will continue.  That was always a high priority for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m unsure of your point, then.  The reason why M59 hasn&#8217;t gotten coverage in the last few years is because we&#8217;ve not done much with it.  When we worked on the rendering engine upgrade and then didn&#8217;t see an more interest in the game in 2004, that really stopped my active development on the game.  Small game + no news = no coverage.  Not surprising.</p>
<p>Unless you mean that M59 hasn&#8217;t gotten coverage because I don&#8217;t sit quietly in the corner and hope someone deigns to notice my good work?  Heh.</p>
<p>At any rate, thanks for mentioning that the game will continue.  That was always a high priority for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaming Journalism vs. Real Journalism vs. Media Journalism &#171; Experience Curve</title>
		<link>http://www.killtenrats.com/2010/01/12/a-bloggers-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-36550</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaming Journalism vs. Real Journalism vs. Media Journalism &#171; Experience Curve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  So there seems to be this interesting wave going through the blogging community regarding the state of gaming journalism.  It seems to be the usual &#8220;gaming journalists aren&#8217;t real journalists because they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  So there seems to be this interesting wave going through the blogging community regarding the state of gaming journalism.  It seems to be the usual &#8220;gaming journalists aren&#8217;t real journalists because they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or do you just read the blog, see 60% of WAR players are tourists (a number that clearly is an educated guess since NO ONE knows the real number), and go blind to the overall point being made?

This.

I read your blog, see made up numbers and think you&#039;re showing off for attention.

Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or do you just read the blog, see 60% of WAR players are tourists (a number that clearly is an educated guess since NO ONE knows the real number), and go blind to the overall point being made?</p>
<p>This.</p>
<p>I read your blog, see made up numbers and think you&#8217;re showing off for attention.</p>
<p>Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers are great like that, if you can find someone who has the same taste as you, you can basically just listen to whether they like a game or not and then you don&#039;t have to figure out which big site&#039;s reviews to believe or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers are great like that, if you can find someone who has the same taste as you, you can basically just listen to whether they like a game or not and then you don&#8217;t have to figure out which big site&#8217;s reviews to believe or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please. Mainstream newspapers print wild speculation all the time. And people just lap it right up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please. Mainstream newspapers print wild speculation all the time. And people just lap it right up.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know nothing about gaming journalism, but I know that most of the mainstream media do NOT have any integrity, do NOT check their facts, and blatantly don&#039;t give a crap when they get it wrong. If you&#039;ve seen the size of the corrections spot in most newspapers, you know that it&#039;s tiny. Tiny font, tiny space, hidden in the middle of the newspaper. They only correct about 1/10 mistakes (if that). They don&#039;t care when they report &quot;study finds drunk women more likely to be raped&quot; when in fact the study found that drunk men were more likely to rape. 

The difference with bloggers is that you know what you&#039;re getting, and if they get it wrong usually someone will call them on it in the comments (and usually it&#039;ll get corrected, or at least argued about). You can tell which blogs summarily delete dissenting opinions, and which blogs just delete the worst of the raging trolls.

I&#039;m not saying you are wrong for wanting integrity, I just don&#039;t think you&#039;ll find it where you think you will (journalists). And I don&#039;t blame the journalists when they&#039;re just getting paid to pump out stories without fact-checking, they&#039;re just doing their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know nothing about gaming journalism, but I know that most of the mainstream media do NOT have any integrity, do NOT check their facts, and blatantly don&#8217;t give a crap when they get it wrong. If you&#8217;ve seen the size of the corrections spot in most newspapers, you know that it&#8217;s tiny. Tiny font, tiny space, hidden in the middle of the newspaper. They only correct about 1/10 mistakes (if that). They don&#8217;t care when they report &#8220;study finds drunk women more likely to be raped&#8221; when in fact the study found that drunk men were more likely to rape. </p>
<p>The difference with bloggers is that you know what you&#8217;re getting, and if they get it wrong usually someone will call them on it in the comments (and usually it&#8217;ll get corrected, or at least argued about). You can tell which blogs summarily delete dissenting opinions, and which blogs just delete the worst of the raging trolls.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying you are wrong for wanting integrity, I just don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll find it where you think you will (journalists). And I don&#8217;t blame the journalists when they&#8217;re just getting paid to pump out stories without fact-checking, they&#8217;re just doing their job.</p>
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